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To: daniel1212

That is what Jesus said, in fact, he said it 12 times in the NT. However, I sit in judgement of no one who believes in the Trinity. Whenever we greet our judgement day, I suppose we’ll find out. In the meantime, I personally am in support of all my Christian brothers and sisters because Jesus also said we are not to be the judge.


151 posted on 01/07/2014 3:34:58 PM PST by NotTallTex
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If not, and the RC literalism is true, then you MUST conclude that one must believe (in the Real Presence) and receive the Eucharist in order to have life in them, and eternal life,as perr Jn. 6:53,54. .

That is what Jesus said, in fact, he said it 12 times in the NT. However, I sit in judgement of no one who believes in the Trinity. Whenever we greet our judgement day, I suppose we’ll find out. In the meantime, I personally am in support of all my Christian brothers and sisters because Jesus also said we are not to be the judge.

Like another RC here, something seems to be effecting a double minded here. You profess to believe that Jn. 6:35,54ff is literal, which literalism has to conclude that one cannot have spirtual life within them and eternal life unless they actually consume real flesh and blood (a novel idea), but then you cannot say those who do not physically consume Christ are not born again but are lost, which is the logical conclusion.

Thus you evidently do not believe what you affirm, or perhaps suppose somehow they are being slipped a consecrated wafer in a moment when the believe it is Christ. Or something else.I actually went thru this dilemma myself after i became born again while yet a RC, and realized profound changes in heart and life, but heard and met evangelicals i knew had to be born again.

But I am asking you to be consistent. You say you sit in judgement of no one who believes in the Trinity, which indicates that you do have a conviction that salvation requires assent to certain truths, but if your interpretation of Jn. 6 is correct, then this belief would be as necessary as that of believing in the real presence.

Note however, that i do not hold that believing in the real presence is necessarily a salvific error, myself being one that once did, but it is usually concomitant with faith in an institutionalized gospel of much confidence in the power of the church and ones own merit, versus personal conversion as a contrite damned+destitute sinner resting all on Christ, and thus obeying Him.

. In the meantime, I personally am in support of all my Christian brothers and sisters because Jesus also said we are not to be the judge.

Making a judgment on who is saved or lost based upon what they believe and do is most certainly not what the Lord disallowed, as He Himself did so, as did the apostles and commanded it.

153 posted on 01/07/2014 5:58:42 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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