Sola Scriptura – An Unbiblical Recipe for Confusion

Tim Staples' Blog ^ | January 18, 2014 | Tim Staples

[Kansas58]

Sorry, errors in that post I did not catch:

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I suggest you read from the links I have posted.
I never said that the ENTIRE Early Church was Nomadic during the ENTIRE period from AD 1 to AD 400.

However, there absolutely were some very turbulent periods of time, in that 400 years, and there were millions of very good Christians who NEVER read the Bible or any Scripture for themselves.

The Faith was an ORAL tradition. Even my FR debate opponents on this thread have resorted to posting links on some points which ALSO reference the “Oral Tradition” in their links.

Sacred Scripture was rare, fragile, expensive and only the ELITE had access to it. Some were “elite” to do wealth and some due to standing I the Church or Temple.

The rest had it read to them, or recited to them.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “The Faith was an ORAL tradition.” <<

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Absolutely not!

Yeshua completely rejected oral tradition; that is why he and his apostles constantly said “it is written” whenever they presented doctrine.

Oral tradition fails at every transfer. It is corrupt instantly.

[editor-surveyor]

Yehova presented his teaching in writing at Sinai, and oral traditions have never been acceptable.

This was posted to you by Elsie in this thread:

NIV Matthew 2:5
"In Bethlehem in Judea," they replied, "for this is what the prophet has written:

NIV Matthew 4:1-11
1. Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.
2. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.
3. The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread."
4. Jesus answered, "It is written: `Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.' "
5. Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
6. "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: "`He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.' "
7. Jesus answered him, "It is also written: `Do not put the Lord your God to the test.' "
8. Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.
9. "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me."
10. Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: `Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.' "
11. Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

NIV Matthew 11:10
This is the one about whom it is written: "`I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.'

NIV Matthew 21:13
"It is written," he said to them, "`My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a `den of robbers.' "

NIV Matthew 26:24
The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him.

NIV Matthew 26:31
Then Jesus told them, "This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written: "`I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.'

NIV Mark 7:6-7
6. He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: "`These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
7. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'

NIV Mark 9:11-13
11. And they asked him, "Why do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?"
12. Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah does come first, and restores all things. Why then is it written that the Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected?
13. But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him."

NIV Mark 11:17
And as he taught them, he said, "Is it not written: "`My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations' ? But you have made it `a den of robbers.' "

NIV Mark 14:27
"You will all fall away," Jesus told them, "for it is written: "`I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.'

NIV Luke 1:1-4
1. Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us,
2. just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.
3. Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus,
4. so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

NIV Luke 4:17-19
17. The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
18. "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,
19. to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."

NIV Luke 7:27
This is the one about whom it is written: "`I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you.'

NIV Luke 10:26
"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

NIV Luke 18:31-33
31. Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled.
32. He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him.
33. On the third day he will rise again."

NIV Luke 20:17-18
17. Jesus looked directly at them and asked, "Then what is the meaning of that which is written: "`The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone ' ?
18. Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed."

NIV Luke 21:22
For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written.

NIV Luke 22:37
It is written: `And he was numbered with the transgressors' ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment."

NIV Luke 24:44-47
44. He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."
45. Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
46. He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
47. and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

NIV John 2:17
His disciples remembered that it is written: "Zeal for your house will consume me."

 

NIV John 6:31
Our forefathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written: `He gave them bread from heaven to eat.' "

NIV John 6:45
It is written in the Prophets: `They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me.

NIV John 12:14-16
14. Jesus found a young donkey and sat upon it, as it is written,
15. "Do not be afraid, O Daughter of Zion; see, your king is coming, seated on a donkey's colt."
16. At first his disciples did not understand all this. Only after Jesus was glorified did they realize that these things had been written about him and that they had done these things to him.

NIV John 15:25
But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: `They hated me without reason.'

NIV John 20:30-31
30. Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book.
31. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

NIV Acts 1:20
"For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms, "`May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,' and, "`May another take his place of leadership.'

NIV Acts 7:42
But God turned away and gave them over to the worship of the heavenly bodies. This agrees with what is written in the book of the prophets: "`Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings forty years in the desert, O house of Israel?

NIV Acts 13:29
When they had carried out all that was written about him, they took him down from the tree and laid him in a tomb.

NIV Acts 13:32-33
32. "We tell you the good news: What God promised our fathers
33. he has fulfilled for us, their children, by raising up Jesus. As it is written in the second Psalm: "`You are my Son; today I have become your Father. '

NIV Acts 15:15-18
15. The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16. "`After this I will return and rebuild David's fallen tent. Its ruins I will rebuild, and I will restore it,
17. that the remnant of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who bear my name, says the Lord, who does these things'
18. that have been known for ages.

NIV Acts 23:5
Paul replied, "Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written: `Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people.' "

NIV Acts 24:14
However, I admit that I worship the God of our fathers as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that agrees with the Law and that is written in the Prophets,
and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

NIV Romans 1:17
For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."

NIV Romans 2:24
As it is written: "God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."

NIV Romans 3:4
Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge."

NIV Romans 3:10-12
10. As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;
11. there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God.
12. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one."

NIV Romans 4:17
As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations." He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed--the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.

NIV Romans 4:23-24
23. The words "it was credited to him" were written not for him alone,
24. but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness--for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

NIV Romans 8:36
As it is written: "For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered."

NIV Romans 9:13
Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

NIV Romans 9:33
As it is written: "See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."

NIV Romans 10:15
And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

NIV Romans 11:7-10
7. What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened,
8. as it is written: "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes so that they could not see and ears so that they could not hear, to this very day."
9. And David says: "May their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
10. May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see, and their backs be bent forever."

NIV Romans 11:26-27
26. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."

NIV Romans 12:19
Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.

NIV Romans 14:11
It is written: "`As surely as I live,' says the Lord, `every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'"

NIV Romans 15:3-4
3. For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: "The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me."
4. For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

NIV Romans 15:7-12
7. Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.
8. For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God's truth, to confirm the promises made to the patriarchs
9. so that the Gentiles may glorify God for his mercy, as it is written: "Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles; I will sing hymns to your name."
10. Again, it says, "Rejoice, O Gentiles, with his people."
11. And again, "Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles, and sing praises to him, all you peoples."
12. And again, Isaiah says, "The Root of Jesse will spring up, one who will arise to rule over the nations; the Gentiles will hope in him."

NIV Romans 15:21
Rather, as it is written: "Those who were not told about him will see, and those who have not heard will understand."

NIV 1 Corinthians 1:19
For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

NIV 1 Corinthians 1:31
Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."

NIV 1 Corinthians 2:9
However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him" --

NIV 1 Corinthians 3:19-20
19. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness" ;
20. and again, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."

NIV 1 Corinthians 4:6
Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.

NIV 1 Corinthians 9:9
For it is written in the Law of Moses: "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." Is it about oxen that God is concerned?

NIV 1 Corinthians 10:7
Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: "The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry."

NIV 1 Corinthians 10:11
These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.

NIV 1 Corinthians 14:21
In the Law it is written: "Through men of strange tongues and through the lips of foreigners I will speak to this people, but even then they will not listen to me," says the Lord.

NIV 1 Corinthians 15:45
So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

NIV 1 Corinthians 15:54
When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory."

NIV 2 Corinthians 1:13-14
13. For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that,
14. as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus.

NIV 2 Corinthians 4:13-14
13. it is written: "I believed; therefore I have spoken." With that same spirit of faith we also believe and therefore speak,
14. because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you in his presence.

NIV 2 Corinthians 8:15
as it is written: "He who gathered much did not have too much, and he who gathered little did not have too little."

NIV Galatians 3:10
All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."

NIV Galatians 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

NIV Galatians 4:22
For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman.

NIV Galatians 4:27
For it is written: "Be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband."

NIV Hebrews 10:7
Then I said, `Here I am-- it is written about me in the scroll-- I have come to do your will, O God.'"

NIV 1 Peter 1:15-16
But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: "Be holy, because I am holy."

NIV 2 Peter 3:16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

NIV 1 John 2:12-14
12. I write to you, dear children, because your sins have been forgiven on account of his name.
13. I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, dear children, because you have known the Father.
14. I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God lives in you, and you have overcome the evil one.

363 posted on 01/29/2014 4:43:45 AM PST by Elsie

[Kansas58]

Huh?
You are being stubborn, unresponsive and rude.

To say that the Oral Tradition PREDOMINATED for MOST Christians of the Early Church in no way requires that NO Written Scripture existed.

Yes, the Oral Tradition predominated in the Early Church, for most Christians. EVERY Christian Scholar worth his salt will agree with me on that point. (You are NOT a Scholar as you claimed, FALSELY, that the Jewish/Hebrew translations of the Greek, used to debate Christians, were original Hebrew and NOT translations. You can not find ANY reputable historian who agrees with you on that point.)

Yes, there were rare pieces of Scripture, but the Bible did not exist until nearly 400 years into the Christian Era. Scripture was large, heavy, cumbersome, not at all easy to copy or transport, it was perishable and it was expensive and it was rare.

I did not say it did not exist.

One of the reasons the Early Church, at the Council of Hippo in North Africa, wanted an OFFICIAL text is because the Scribes who copied the Scripture, as well as the Evangelicals who RECITED Scripture, were not saying exactly the same thing to their congregations, changes were made over time.

For Heaven's sake, basic LANGUAGE changes over time.

Have you ever tried to read original Shakespeare?

And of course, using Latin actually helped the Church preserve the meaning and context of original Scripture.

[editor-surveyor]

No, it is you that are being stubborn, unresponsive and rude.

There has been no time when the followers of Yeshua have held oral traditions.

What you’re not grasping is that the mess in Rome has never followed Him, but persecuted those that did, unmercifully.

Antichrist has had his home in Rome since the mid 4th century.

Just read the material posted top you showing categorically that all of his way is written, and none is carried in the vapors of oral tradition.

[Kansas58]

Written by WHOM?
Written WHEN?
Written when FIRST spoken by Jesus or when written by Paul?
Perhaps SPOKEN for several generations and then written?
Mathew, Mark, Luke and John were CLEARLY not written down when first spoken.
Paul’s writings were copied but were also memorized and also became part of an oral tradition.

You have absolutely NO theological expert ANYWHERE who agrees with all you have posted here.

And again, you FALSELY posted on this thread that the Jewish Apologists, who debated the Catholic scholars, had access to Scripture copied directly from Jesus into Hebrew.

This is CLEARLY false, you have no experts on your side at all.

[Kansas58]

Catholic roots of King James Bible:

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/vatican-exhibition-highlights-catholic-roots-of-king-james-bible/

[Kansas58]

In reality, the King James Bible was created using preceding English translations and Greek texts dating to the 12th to 15th centuries - the “Textus Receptus” - as well as “some influence from the Latin Vulgate,” the edition by Catholic saint Jerome in the fourth century. The original Textus Receptus (TR) compiled by Dutch theologian Desiderius Erasmus (c. 1466-1536) was hurriedly put together and contained “thousands of typographical errors,” as well as scribal commentary that was not in the original Greek. In 1550, the TR was eventually reissued by Parisian printer Robert Estienne, also known as Stephanus/Stefanus/Stephens, whose edition was the basis of the KJV, with a significant amount of the same problems intact. The fact that various versions of the Bible differ from each other is very significant and needs to be kept in mind, as does the realization of the flawed nature of the Textus Receptus, upon which the King James Bible is based.”
http://stellarhousepublishing.com/king-james-bible-history.html

[editor-surveyor]

You just don’t get it, do you!

How many times have I decried the corruption of all of the popular Bibles?

God’s word was given in his language, both the OT and the NT, and then translated to change it.

Catholicism came 3 centuries after Yeshua ascended, and received corrupted writings itself.

[Kansas58]

King James version, based on TR Greek, does contain errors:

“The King James Version Errancy Debate

Four Evangelists: Matthew, Mark, Luke and JohnIn “Discovering and Classifying New Testament Manuscripts,” fundamentalist Christian writer James Arlandson discusses the orthodox Christian belief that the four canonical gospels were inerrant and divinely inspired:

“The original authors were inspired, but we do not have their very originals… The original New Testament documents were transmitted by scribes, who were not inspired.”

This more recent claim regarding only the originals being inspired essentially overrides the centuries-old, widely held notion that English translations such as the King James Bible are inerrant; yet, there remain King James inerrantists.

Because such a position appears untenable, many Christian scholars and apologists today no longer adhere to the notion that translations themselves are inspired, claiming instead that only the “originals” are inspired, as noted. The rank-and-file believers, however, still frequently maintain - as they have been taught - that the King James translation, for one, is inerrant and its translators inspired. Regardless of whether or not trained apologists believe this claim anymore, the average Christian may not be aware of the debate regarding various translations and may indeed receive the impression that the Bible favored in his or her church is inerrant. In the words of evangelical Christian Gary Amirault:

“At an early point in my walk with Jesus, I was strongly under the influence of men and women who believed in the ‘Inerrant Bible’ doctrine. They believed the King James Bible was the only one Christians should use because it was inspired of God and without errors. They believed other translations were inspired of Satan, the “Alexandrian cult” and the Roman Catholic Church.”[1]

Image: Worldwide Mission Fellowship, www.wwmf.org/faith/The reality is that even today many pastors continue to promote the purported inerrancy of the King James Bible. In fact, there remain ministries fervently dedicated to “defending and promoting the KJV.” Within these organizations, the King James Bible continues to be held up as “inerrant,” despite the scholarship that has revealed the Textus Receptus at its basis to be flawed.

One fundamentalist KJV defender, Brandon Staggs, comments on the debate thus:

“Almost every “fundamental” statement of faith reads that God’s word is perfect and inspired in the original autographs.

“But isn’t that a statement of unbelief? What good is God’s word if it only exists in manuscripts which no longer exist? Why would God inspire Scripture just to let it wither to dust?

“Many modern scholars believe that the real ending of the Gospel of Mark has been lost and that we can not be certain how Mark concluded his Gospel. And yet these same scholars will boldly declare belief in God’s preservation of Scripture.”[2]

“It is my belief that the King James Bible is God’s word in the English language without admixture of error.”

Evangelicals like David Sorenson, in fact, go so far as to deem “apostates” those who follow the “critical text,” such as the Revised Standard Version, as opposed to those who maintain the inerrancy of the “Received Text,” i.e., the basis for the KJV.[3] Continuing with his apology for the KJV, Staggs states:

“It is my belief that the King James Bible, originally known as the Authorized Version, first published in the year 1611, is God’s word in the English language without admixture of error.”

Despite this indoctrination of inerrancy, an investigation of the translations of the New Testament into English reveals much, as to whether or not they could possibly be considered “inerrant” works by “infallibly” inspired scribes.”
http://stellarhousepublishing.com/king-james-bible-history.html

[Kansas58]

You do not know history at all.

Your faith is based on the work of many people who You have condemned to Hell. You should thank those with whom you do not agree, as they have provided you with the Word which you now refuse to interpret correctly:

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“A Brief History of the Kings James Bible

King James BiblePrior to the discovery of the most complete, ancient Greek manuscripts of the New Testament - the Codices Sinaiticus, Alexandrinus and Vaticanus - we possessed only much later copies in Greek. One of the most important translations of the Bible, the King James Version, was based not on these earliest manuscripts but on the later Greek texts, as well as on the preceding English editions such as the Tyndale, Great, Geneva and Catholic Bibles, the latter of which was in turn founded upon Jerome’s Latin Vulgate.

Claimed by many Christian fundamentalists to be the only inspired and inerrant translation of the Bible into English, the King James Version, also called the “Authorized Version,” possesses an interesting history, in that it was composed over several years from 1604 to 1609 by six groups comprising upwards of 40 translators. Each translator’s section was edited by the other members of the group, then passed around to the other groups, and so on, until a finalized version was accepted and was subsequently published in 1611.

“This complex history provokes several questions, including why the Holy Spirit needed so many minds and hands to work on God’s Word.”

This complex history provokes several questions, including why the Holy Spirit needed so many minds and hands to work on God’s Word. Wouldn’t it have been much faster and less fraught with the chance for error if only one person infallibly inspired by the Holy Spirit had translated the texts? Common sense indicates that only if the individuals involved were relying on their own intellectual faculties and erudition would there need to be a committee of the sort used in the translation of the King James Bible.

Concerning the KJV, New Testament scholar Dr. Bart Ehrman remarks:

“…The King James Version is filled with places in which the translators rendered a Greek text derived ultimately from Erasmus’s edition, which was based on a single twelfth-century manuscript that is one of the worst of the manuscripts that we now have available to us!…

“…The King James was not given by God but was a translation by a group of scholars in the early seventeenth century who based their rendition on a faulty Greek text.”[4]

Centuries after the KJV became the “noblest monument of English prose,” in fact, there arose a clear need for a new, updated translation. As the “Preface” to the Revised Standard Version (”RSV”) relates:

“…the King James Version has grave defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision of the English translation….”[5]

Erasmus, by Holbein the Younger (1523)Hence, despite the esteem by evangelical Christians, it is understood by various scholars that the King James Bible was not “given by God” and possesses “grave defects.” In fact, the Greek text that the KJV largely followed is now considered a seriously flawed composition, “hastily compiled” by Desiderius Erasmus, who pieced it together using a single Greek text from the 12th century and a few other manuscript portions, producing the “Textus Receptus” or “Received Text.”

Not finding the last six verses of the New Testament, from the book of Revelation, Erasmus used the Latin Vulgate to translate the pertinent verses back into Greek. Thus, these particular scriptures were not rendered from the original or even early Greek texts but are the retranslations from a Latin translation of a Greek copy of the New Testament. It is upon this defective translation that the King James Bible is based in large part, further demonstrating the tenuousness and frailty of maintaining that the KJV was infallibly inspired by the Holy Spirit.”

http://stellarhousepublishing.com/king-james-bible-history.html

[editor-surveyor]

>> “Written by WHOM?” <<

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Written first by the Cohen Matthew, just a few years after Yeshua ascended. By AD 50 Matthew’s Hebrew gospel had traversed the world, to England, and to India and China.

Paul’s and Peter’s first epistles had been written within the next decade after that.

They were written to their dispersed brothers of the northern tribes, not to the rest of the world; they knew where those Israelites had gone, and they were the object of the Great Commission. (Matthew 15:24)

Theologians exist to destroy the gospel. Yeshua denounced them roundly. Why do you wish to assist them in their mission?

[Kansas58]

The Tyndale Translation

Moreover, the translation of the KJV was not confined to the Greek texts but also used previous English translations, including the Tyndale Bible. One of the earliest translators of the Bible into English, William Tyndale(d. 1536), was burned at the stake for “heresy.” Yet, Tyndale’s translation has been used in the creation of every significant English rendition of the Bible since his time, including the King James Version.[6] Was Tyndale inspired? If so, why would God let him be hideously killed? If he was not inspired, how can the English translations such as the KJV, based in considerable part on his work, themselves be considered inspired?

Need for Revision

Regarding the KJV, the RSV continues:

“The King James Version of the New Testament was based upon a Greek text that was marred by mistakes, containing the accumulated errors of fourteen centuries of manuscript copying. It was essentially the Greek text of the New Testament as edited by Beza, 1589, who closely followed that published by Erasmus, 1516-1535, which was based upon a few medieval manuscripts….

“We now possess many more ancient manuscripts of the New Testament, and are far better equipped to seek to recover the original wording of the Greek text…”[7]

One result of this need for revision is the Revised Standard Version itself, which bases its translation upon the King James Bible and “the most ancient authorities,” i.e., the Greek codices. Yet, how do we know which of the Greek texts is correct, as they differ significantly? If the Holy Spirit was inspiring the translators of the KJV, why weren’t they shown the most ancient Greek manuscripts instead, if these are more correct and closer to the originals of God’s Word? In fact, why would the Holy Spirit allow the originals or autographs to be destroyed in the first place? Why don’t we possess the pristinely and miraculously preserved texts written by the very hands of the Evangelists Themselves?”
http://stellarhousepublishing.com/king-james-bible-history.html

[Kansas58]

You have NO support for this absurd post.

NO, the HEBREW version of the New Testament, in the Early Church, was translated to FIGHT and DENOUNCE Christianity.

It was NOT used to Evangelize at all.

You can not post a single historian who agrees with you.

Not a Jew, not a Christian, not an Atheist, and certainly not a Catholic Christian.

[editor-surveyor]

Historians, theologians, catholics, Satan himself, all agree, so what?

You prove my point nicely.

[Kansas58]

Who “taught” YOU?

Do you have a time machine? Your views on what you believe came from SOMEWHERE and you seem to be at a loss when asked to show the roots of your Scriptural translation beliefs.

You can find nothing in writing to support your very unique and unusual view of Scriptural preservation, reproduction and translation.

Someone must have TOLD you, by Oral Tradition, what you believe today about the history of Sacred Scripture.

If your claims of the “history” or of the chain of custody of Scripture can not be found in written form, how did you “learn” your unusual beliefs?

And who taught the person who taught you? And the person before that person?

[GarySpFc]

Yes, the Oral Tradition predominated in the Early Church, for most Christians. EVERY Christian Scholar worth his salt will agree with me on that point. (You are NOT a Scholar as you claimed, FALSELY, that the Jewish/Hebrew translations of the Greek, used to debate Christians, were original Hebrew and NOT translations. You can not find ANY reputable historian who agrees with you on that point.)
Yes, there were rare pieces of Scripture, but the Bible did not exist until nearly 400 years into the Christian Era. Scripture was large, heavy, cumbersome, not at all easy to copy or transport, it was perishable and it was expensive and it was rare.
I did not say it did not exist.

I agree in part. The church did have the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets as witnesses to the blood of Christ during much of the First Century. Later they had the witness of the martyrs. Today, the church has the Written Word.

Your excuse that millions didn't have the Word in the first 400 years is not going to satisfy the Lord on judgment Day. He I going to ask, "Why did you call Me a liar?" And in shock you will respond, "Lord, I never called you a liar."

Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. The Holy Bible: New International Version. (1984). (1 Jn 5:10). Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan.

[Kansas58]

And where did God say only those who could actually READ His Word would be saved?

To BELEIVE is what matters. Why we believe does not matter to God. How we learned of Him matters not one bit.

Otherwise, no illiterate person could ever go to Heaven.

Otherwise, those who only HEARD his Word and could not read it, would never go to Heaven.

[GarySpFc]

And where did God say only those who could actually READ His Word would be saved?

Read John 3:19

[editor-surveyor]

Paul’s epistles taught me.

To whom did he declare the Oracles of God were entrusted?