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To: NKP_Vet; bramps; cloudmountain; ConservativeMind; OneWingedShark; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; ...
"The bottom line is that the truth of the Catholic Church is rooted in history.

Jesus Christ is a historical person who gave his authority to his Church to teach, govern, and sanctify in his place.

His Church gave us the New Testament with the authority of Christ. Reason rejects sola scriptura as a self-refuting principle".

So as per this logic, having historical descent, and being the instruments and stewards of Scripture requires or renders them the infallible authority on it, so they that which they reject must be rejected?

And that Rome's claim to historical descent via "unbroken" (despite what even Catholic scholarship attests to, and breaks of up to 3 years and rival popes, and the use of carnal force to secure the seat, etc.) uniquely makes her the One True Church?

And asking you like as i did to others,

And do you deny that in Scripture it is manifest as being the assured Word of God and transcendent standard for obedience and testing and establishing truth claims, as is abundantly evidenced ? .

Do disagree that the church did not begin under the premise of a perpetual assuredly (if conditional) infallible magisterium of men, but upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power? (Mt. 22:23-45; Lk. 24:27,44; Jn. 5:36,39; Acts 2:14-35; 4:33; 5:12; 15:6-21;17:2,11; 18:28; 28:23; Rm. 15:19; 2Cor. 12:12, etc.)

Do you hold that all die not in submission to the pope, in the bosom of the RCC,as per ancient Roman teaching, are lost?

I am asking these important questions more for the benefit of others, but this time try to clearly answer them as being reason-able rather than resorting to your usual screeds and rants.

70 posted on 01/29/2014 8:11:38 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: NKP_Vet; daniel1212
Jesus Christ is a historical person ,

WOW! Now since that catholic belief has been exposed - and the same is for every other 'man made believer' they admit they have no Savior.

God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM" And Jesus The Word is His Son Who became flesh.

God has no history, HE always was and always will be.

"The bottom line is that the truth of the Catholic Church

The bottom line is the pit for catholicsm and all they deceived, like every other 'man made religion' deceives.

'I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

168 posted on 02/01/2014 2:50:24 PM PST by presently no screen name
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