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To: OneVike

“I have noticed a pattern to the criticism of Any Rand.

1: Well, you know, she was an atheist and she had a weird personal life so her ideas are all crap.

2: Misrepresentation of her ideas.

I have yet to ever hear her ideas refuted logically. Ever. I disagree with her about the existence of God. I believe a logical argument can be made for the existence of God.
As for the rest of her philosophy I think she is right.

All the arguments I have heard for religion amount to “I believe because I believe”. The element of faith takes religion outside of reason. That was her point.

I would love to see her other ideas refuted honestly but I haven’t yet.”

Yes I did say that. At the time I was still trying to hold onto a belief in God. I had retreated to being a deist at that point. Ayn Rand said that deism was just a stop along the way to atheism. She was right. It was shortly after that I had to admit to myself that there were no rational arguments for God. The few remaining ones I was clinging to required me to abandon reason to accept them. That was the last straw for me. I only post this to explain why I started asking those questions 3 years ago. See, I really am willing to change my beliefs and I still am and I hope I always will be. Good premises.


103 posted on 02/15/2014 3:09:15 PM PST by albionin (A gawn fit's aye gettin..)
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To: albionin

In reading through this thread, when I came to your posts it came to mind, “this guy is probably an atheist.” It took Ansell to wring it out of you, good for him.

No wonder your hero is Ayn Rand the atheist.

I think it sneaky of you, as an atheist, coming on this thread about whether Jesus would support socialism. This is a Conservative Christian site opposed to socialism, you know. Jim Robinson, the owner of this site is neither an atheist or a socialist.


108 posted on 02/15/2014 4:38:28 PM PST by sasportas
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