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To: svcw

The Cross?
For lds it would be the Garden.

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Both the garden and the cross. I know so many want to skip some things but both were necessary in the Garden was Jesus was praying to His Father in heaven not praying to himself.

Matt 26
36 ¶Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder.
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39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
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42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done
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He Is Risen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAuaSpJ7zGs#t=191


241 posted on 02/26/2014 9:59:11 AM PST by restornu
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To: restornu

Both the garden and the cross. I know so many want to skip some things but both were necessary
____________________________________________No...

I know that’s a false belief of the Mormons but the Garden of Gethsemane has nothing to do with salvation..

Only the Cross is important..

The LORD Jesus Christ didn’t say “If I go and pray in the garden”

He said “If I be lifted up I will draw all men and women to me” John 12:32 meaning lifted up ON THE CROSS...

He was telling His disciples how He was going to die...

His praying in the Garden of Gethsemane was not part of that ...He often prayed...and alone..

coming OUT OF the Garden of Gethsemane when He just happened to say that to Peter..

The significance of the Garden of Gethsemane is that it is on the Mount of Olives...

Olives were pressed there...

The LORD Jesus Christ was facing a pressing a squeezing...a challenge..

He was about to lay down His life for us...

His torment was due to the fact that He was facing being cut off from God...

He had always been with God the Father ...He had never been separated from the rest of the Trinity..

He was about to volunteer and go where no Person of the Trinity had ever gone before...to Hell..

It was His choice..He was about to face the Cross and all its horrors but even worse he was about to face separation from God..and death and Hell..

Although He had already told His disciples He would rise again..He still had to face the horror of being away from God for those few days..

While Jesus was on the Cross and before He died God left Him..

He cried out with a voice loud enough to be heard by those on the ground around Him...He must have screamed at the top of His voice

“MY GOD !!! MY GOD !!! WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME ?”

Matthew 27:44, Mark 15:34 This cry was so important that David prophesied in Psalm 22:1 that Jesus would do this...

God cannot look at sin and all the sins of the world for all time had been placed on Jesus...He who had not ever sinned Himself was now so drenched in sin His own Father could not look at Him or be anywhere near Him..

A child gets anxious if he doesn’t se his mother for a few moments but he is not neglected and cut off from her she may just be in the next room...

but Jesus knew God wasn’t just in the next room He wasn’t going to be back until Jesus had died alone and gone through Hell alone and risen again..

Now of us humans can understand the anguish that Jesus felt because we have never experienced living in Heaven forever with God and then being cut off from Him..

Humans who wind up in Hell feel some of that forever and that’s an excellent reason to repent and be born again and go to Heaven so that you don’t end up in hell without God..

But the LORD Jesus Christ agreed to lay down His life and shed His blood on the Cross and die there in order to save us from suffering the penalty of our sins..

He went to hell so that we don’t have to...

He suffered separation from God on the Cross so we don’t have to..

The Cross is where it all happened..

That’s why Christians put a cross on their churches and inside..

May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. Galatians 6:14

And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to death— even death on a cross! Philippians 2:8

in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which He put to death their hostility. Ephesians 2:16

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18


246 posted on 02/26/2014 10:58:36 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu
Not the Cross Resty.

"Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson," the thirteenth president of the LDS Church stated it was in the Garden of Gethsemane that Christ "suffered as only as God would suffer, bearing our griefs, carrying our sorrows, being wounded for our transgressions, voluntarily submitting Himself to the iniquity of us all, just as Isaiah prophesied."

He further stated on that same page: "It was in Gethsemane that Jesus took on Himself the sins of the world, in Gethsemane that His pain was equivalent to the cumulative burden of all men, in Gethsemane that He descended below all things so that all could repent and come to Him"

(Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, pg.15).

Elder Bruce R. McConkie was a member of The Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. He spoke in General Conference shortly before his death. He knew he was to die shortly, and this talk was his last testimony. He said the following:

We do not know, we cannot tell, no mortal mind can conceive the full import of what Christ did in Gethsemane. We know he sweat great gouts of blood from every pore as he drained the dregs of that bitter cup his Father had given him. We know he suffered, both body and spirit, more than it is possible for man to suffer, except it be unto death. We know that in some way, incomprehensible to us, his suffering satisfied the demands of justice, ransomed penitent souls from the pains and penalties of sin, and made mercy available to those who believe in his holy name. We know that he lay prostrate upon the ground as the pains and agonies of an infinite burden caused him to tremble and would that he might not drink the bitter cup. We know that an angel came from the courts of glory to strengthen him in his ordeal. As near as we can judge, these infinite agonies—this suffering beyond compare—continued for some three or four hours.

...in Gethsemane we will see the Son of God ransom man from the temporal and spiritual death that came to us because of the Fall. And finally, before an empty tomb, we will come to know that Christ our Lord has burst the bands of death and stands forever triumphant over the grave. Thus, Creation is father to the Fall; and by the Fall came mortality and death; and by Christ came immortality and eternal life. If there had been no fall of Adam, by which cometh death, there could have been no atonement of Christ, by which cometh life. And now, as pertaining to this perfect atonement, wrought by the shedding of the blood of God—I testify that it took place in Gethsemane and at Golgotha, and as pertaining to Jesus Christ, I testify that he is the Son of the Living God and was crucified for the sins of the world. He is our Lord, our God, and our King. This I know of myself independent of any other person. I am one of his witnesses, and in a coming day I shall feel the nail marks in his hands and in his feet and shall wet his feet with my tears. But I shall not know any better then than I know now that he is God’s Almighty Son, that he is our Savior and Redeemer, and that salvation comes in and through his atoning blood and in no other way.

No Cross mentioned.

293 posted on 02/26/2014 2:01:27 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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