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To: afsnco

“I question whether such people that call God a liar can truly be Christian. Christ really didn’t stutter here:

“Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

That passage should terrify every apostate/heretic.”

That passage was also before the administration of Grace, where salvation still involved works and Jesus Christ had not yet died for our sins. What was being discussed in Matthew was false prophets.

A few books later in the Gospels came John 3:16:

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

Titus 3:5 -

“he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit”

Salvation is not through our works, but through Christ. So even Christians promoting incorrect doctrine have mercy and grace. Nevertheless they’ll be reproved at the gathering.

Spiritual deliverance for Homosexuals or anyone struggling with any sin is available through Christ. No one will ever be completely free of sin but the less we do the better through that walk in the spirit.

And of course sin should never be condoned.


33 posted on 03/05/2014 12:47:13 PM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: ScottfromNJ

It appears to me that in Matthew 7:21-23 Christ is speaking of Judgment Day. So you can’t really say that’s pre-grace, if you can see my point.

Agreed there’s no such thing as a “works” salvation (Eph. 2:8-9). We’re saved by the grace of God.

The problem with homosexuality is that the Holy Spirit in Romans 1 declares that its practitioners are turned over to a reprobate mind. That’s a worthless, non-functioning mind that’s essentially spiritually insane.

In fact, Christ also spoke of “dogs” and “swine” just a little earlier in Matthew 7:

Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

It’s obvious He wasn’t speaking of the four-footed critters. “Swine” is easy. That’s anybody who insists on wallowing in his or her filth. “Dogs” is referring to homosexuals, as mentioned earlier. Once we know either of them for what they are, Christ commanded us to refrain from evangelizing them, because they tend to be turned over to a reprobate mind and tend to get violent when confronted with their sin, however gently.


42 posted on 03/05/2014 1:29:05 PM PST by afsnco
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To: ScottfromNJ

I also think that Christ in Matthew 7:21 was just describing what a real Christian will do, and that’s strive for obedience to God. Not to attain salvation, but because we love and fear Him and want to glorify Him by obeying Him.

A deluded “Christian” will not strive for obedience, but instead will perform works to “earn” salvation. And all the while they do things like support abortion and homosexuality and call God a liar, thereby being willfully disobedient to Him.


48 posted on 03/05/2014 1:53:35 PM PST by afsnco
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