Posted on 03/09/2014 9:50:24 PM PDT by hiho hiho
And its narcissistic. Post VII music is about us, how great we are, me, me, me, I, I, I. Not about God, not about adoring and praising and loving God. See Bad Poetry, Bad Theology: The Curse of Bad Liturgical Music (Part Two) and Pop Goes the Mass The Curse of Bad Liturgical Music (Part One)
Please Lord, restore your Church.
“The use of simple unadorned melodies from the Catholic treasury of tradition and its great reservoir of musical heritage is the most prayerful and respectful way a Catholic can raise his or her voice at the altar of God.
Bears repeating. Even chanting.
The traditional hymns and chant are coming back at my church. Thank you, God!
Lord pray that the Catholics don’t make the error we Protestants have. Don’t let these retarded modern praise songs take the place of the old hymns.
Its just repeating some hypnotic rhyming chant,, again and again, and again.
So true. All this is part of the larger PC diversity movement to include guitar, drum, and banjo and hand clapping.
Great articles. Thanks!
Amen, and, bump...
The claim that MacMillans congregational mass settings are unsingable is utterly ridiculous. How ironic, for instance, that in Presbyterian Paisley Abbey once a month, his St Annes Mass is sung with great affection by the entire congregation?
youtube.com/watch?v=7YcH5yCSiuE
Gloria
youtube.com/watch?v=bRTCPZy8-rI
Sanctus
youtube.com/watch?v=C8cDhoq46iA
Miserere
“its about the difference between respecting, protecting and reinterpreting the centuries old tradition of people-friendly Gregorian Chant within the context of congregational participation in the liturgical mass, and the banal sentimental dirges that have infested Sunday worship in most Catholic churches since the Second Vatican Council of the 1960s...”
Of course we have the same issue in our country. The liturgical industrial complex with its crappy, banal, irreverent music needs to be overturned. Ironically, Vatican II’s document on the Sacred Liturgy said Gregorian Chant should hold pride of place, that polyphony is encouraged, that Latin should be retained in the Latin rite, and the faithful should be able to sing the Ordinary parts in Latin. None of that part of Vatican II was EVER implemented! Shame on those who dumped millenia of tradition without proper preservation.
Complimenting ones self is not worship.
.....Or those faithful who struggle with the Latin, at least the English translation to the music.
I would rather have a good singing of “Amazing Grace” or “How Great Thou Art” then some of the worse happy-clappy being sung at the present time.
Is Marty Haugen plaguing the Church in Scotland?
“Lord pray that the Catholics dont make the error we Protestants have. Dont let these retarded modern praise songs take the place of the old hymns.”
Amen to that! We’ve had to relocate a few times because of DH’s job. When I’m calling (Baptist) churches to get a list of potentials, I ask two questions: (1) What version of the Bible do you use? (2) What hymnal do you use?
The contemporary airy-fairy choruses and hymns are all about feeling good (although they’re mostly annoying). Give me “A Mighty Fortress” or “No Other Plea” — things that are heavy in Theology and make a person think.
Sadly, in most parishes, you're a few decades late.
I listened to a cantor sing stabat mater Saturday at a Benedictine chapel for a mass.
Yesterday I heard the most banal pop tune, Change Our Hearts at mass in my parish.
What a contrast!
Love my parish, but oh, please can’t we have some music that acutally invites contemplation of God rather than naval gazing?
Argggh....
~navel gazing.
At my parish church yesterday (8:30 Mass, "novus ordo"):
Entrance Hymn -- "These forty days" (English, one verse)
Introit -- Invocabit me (Graduale proper), chanted in Latin by the schola
Kyrie -- Missa XI (Orbis Factor) chanted in Greek by schola and congregation
Creed -- Credo III, Latin (schola + congregation)
Offertory -- Scapulis suis (Graduale proper), Latin, schola
Offertory Hymn -- Parce Domine, sung in Latin by schola and congregation
Sanctus -- Missa XI, Latin, schola and congregation
Agnus Dei -- Missa XI, Latin, schola and congregation
Communion -- Scapulis suis (Graduale proper) schola
Communion hymn -- Anima Christi (girls' schola)
Post-communion -- Ave Regina Caelorum (schola + congregation)
Recessional -- Attende Domine (Latin, schola + congregation)
It can be done. You have to have musicians who are willing to do it (they don't have to be professionals, either; we aren't), and a pastor and bishop who are willing to let it happen.
The pastor and the music director(s) also have to be ready to deflect some complaints ("you don't sing the treacly, dumb stuff that I like, like 'On Eagles' Wings'!" "There's too much Latin, I don't like Latin, I thought Vatican II did away with it, and picking up the printed worship aid and reading the translation in there is too much work for me! Waahh!").
It will end up costing much less than the annual tribute to Oregon Catholic Press for their wretched "music issue", and you will have far more beautiful music at Mass.
Vatican II called for the people to learn Gregorian Chant. Nothing about introducing dirges, folk music, rock and or roll.
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