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To: hiho hiho

“it’s about the difference between respecting, protecting and reinterpreting the centuries’ old tradition of people-friendly Gregorian Chant within the context of congregational participation in the liturgical mass, and the banal sentimental dirges that have infested Sunday worship in most Catholic churches since the Second Vatican Council of the 1960s...”

Of course we have the same issue in our country. The liturgical industrial complex with its crappy, banal, irreverent music needs to be overturned. Ironically, Vatican II’s document on the Sacred Liturgy said Gregorian Chant should hold pride of place, that polyphony is encouraged, that Latin should be retained in the Latin rite, and the faithful should be able to sing the Ordinary parts in Latin. None of that part of Vatican II was EVER implemented! Shame on those who dumped millenia of tradition without proper preservation.


10 posted on 03/10/2014 1:17:50 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam

.....Or those faithful who struggle with the Latin, at least the English translation to the music.


12 posted on 03/10/2014 3:24:24 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Unam Sanctam
Gregorian Chant should hold pride of place, that polyphony is encouraged, that Latin should be retained in the Latin rite, and the faithful should be able to sing the Ordinary parts in Latin None of that part of Vatican II was EVER implemented!

At my parish church yesterday (8:30 Mass, "novus ordo"):

Entrance Hymn -- "These forty days" (English, one verse)
Introit -- Invocabit me (Graduale proper), chanted in Latin by the schola
Kyrie -- Missa XI (Orbis Factor) chanted in Greek by schola and congregation
Creed -- Credo III, Latin (schola + congregation)
Offertory -- Scapulis suis (Graduale proper), Latin, schola
Offertory Hymn -- Parce Domine, sung in Latin by schola and congregation
Sanctus -- Missa XI, Latin, schola and congregation
Agnus Dei -- Missa XI, Latin, schola and congregation
Communion -- Scapulis suis (Graduale proper) schola
Communion hymn -- Anima Christi (girls' schola)
Post-communion -- Ave Regina Caelorum (schola + congregation)
Recessional -- Attende Domine (Latin, schola + congregation)

It can be done. You have to have musicians who are willing to do it (they don't have to be professionals, either; we aren't), and a pastor and bishop who are willing to let it happen.

The pastor and the music director(s) also have to be ready to deflect some complaints ("you don't sing the treacly, dumb stuff that I like, like 'On Eagles' Wings'!" "There's too much Latin, I don't like Latin, I thought Vatican II did away with it, and picking up the printed worship aid and reading the translation in there is too much work for me! Waahh!").

It will end up costing much less than the annual tribute to Oregon Catholic Press for their wretched "music issue", and you will have far more beautiful music at Mass.

19 posted on 03/10/2014 5:31:41 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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