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Who Needs Works?
What The Bible Says About ^ | Rev John Odhner

Posted on 03/15/2014 5:31:38 AM PDT by DaveMSmith

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To: redleghunter

and this was before he “did” anything for God.


181 posted on 03/17/2014 8:45:11 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: G Larry

This only “works” if you ignore the verses just prior to this where Christ is asking the disciples who people think He is.

Then we come to His question to Peter about who do you say I am.

And of course Peter answers, Thou are the Christ.

If we keep this in context with the rest of the passage, the “rock” upon which Christ is going to build His church on can only be this confession.

What else could it be?....but only if we keep this in the proper context.

What was revealed to Peter? The message that Christ is the Son of God.

What will Christ build His church on? This message that Christ is the Son of God. Implication: If one believes in Christ, that He is the Son of God he has faith and goes to Heaven and is saved from all sins, past, present and future.

Peter was given a leadership role in this building of the Kingdom. This is the message that Peter preached as we see him assume a leadership position later on in the NT.

But the Kingdom is built upon Christ and belief in Him. It can be nothing else.


182 posted on 03/17/2014 8:56:11 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: ealgeone

“But the Kingdom is built upon Christ and belief in Him.”

But Christ declared that he is building his CHURCH on Peter.

Christ did NOT say “Kingdom” in the passage under discussion!


183 posted on 03/17/2014 9:22:34 AM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: ealgeone

The discussion is NOT Faith “OR” Works!

It is Faith AND Works!

For Faith WITHOUT Works is Dead!

The reason “works” are downplayed elsewhere in Scripture is so the Jews would understand that by merely following Jewish Law, they are not saved by virtue of that behavior.


184 posted on 03/17/2014 9:25:46 AM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: ealgeone
and this was before he “did” anything for God.

Abraham did respond to God's calling him. Abraham's faith was demonstrated by moving his legs out of his homeland and going to the land God promised.

185 posted on 03/17/2014 9:42:21 AM PDT by redleghunter
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To: G Larry

You’re saying Christ would build His church on a fallable man????


186 posted on 03/17/2014 9:44:26 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: ealgeone

I believe you are forgetting the Feast of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit descended on the Apostles.

Another thing....at his Ascension, Christ promised that he would send and Advocate and that he would be with the apostles and disciples ALWAYS.

Did you forget that too?


187 posted on 03/17/2014 9:49:45 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: redleghunter

Genesis 15:6 records where Abraham believed God and his faith was credited as righteousness.

The key is he “believed” God.....just as any believer does when he/she believes in Christ.

His resultant faithfulness in the willingness to sacrifice Issac was confirmation of that faith.

That is the faith that saves.


188 posted on 03/17/2014 9:51:49 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: Salvation

Nope.

The Holy Spirit is always with us as He resides in us.


189 posted on 03/17/2014 9:52:39 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: G Larry

Christ is the cornerstone upon which the church is built....not a man.


190 posted on 03/17/2014 9:53:27 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: Salvation; EagleOne

ALL born again believers have the Holy Spirit living in them.

It’s not an exclusive, members only, event reserved for the *elite*.


191 posted on 03/17/2014 9:53:41 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: G Larry

Ephesians 2:8-9

For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; NOT AS A RESULT OF WORKS, so that no one may boast.


192 posted on 03/17/2014 9:54:50 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: ealgeone

Oh, I agree with you. What I was pointed out is evidence of his belief is that he moved from his homeland to the land promised. If he did not move, then that would mean he did not believe.


193 posted on 03/17/2014 10:01:20 AM PDT by redleghunter
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To: metmom

***It’s not an exclusive, members only, event reserved for the *elite*.***

Which undermines Rome’s entire pecking order.


194 posted on 03/17/2014 10:02:48 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: G Larry

If it’s about works....then how many/much do we have to do?

How do you know if you’ve done enough??

Is there a record we keep?

What if I haven’t done enough works? Does this lessen my faith? Or negate it in any way?

In Hebrews hall of fame we read it is by faith regarding those individuals.


195 posted on 03/17/2014 10:41:16 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: G Larry; ealgeone
>> For Faith WITHOUT Works is Dead!<<

“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” John 6:28-29

196 posted on 03/17/2014 11:25:28 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: G Larry

Who said that THEY had control on men’s souls?

What entity chased down HERETICS and killed them?

What bunch of men FAILED to keep control of the information flow?


197 posted on 03/17/2014 11:26:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: G Larry
Did anybody ever teach you about prepositions and assignment of pronouns?

Yup; and the RCC teaching of 'on this rock' is quite the opposite.

198 posted on 03/17/2014 11:27:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: G Larry
Did anybody ever teach you about prepositions and assignment of pronouns?

Yup; and the RCC teaching of 'on this rock' is quite the opposite.

199 posted on 03/17/2014 11:27:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation; ealgeone
>>Another thing....at his Ascension, Christ promised that he would send and Advocate and that he would be with the apostles and disciples ALWAYS<<

Acts 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the holy Spirit just as he did us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.

200 posted on 03/17/2014 11:27:49 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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