Attraction between men and women is natural, but that doesn't mean that cohabitation or "the hookup culture" aren't sinful.
Chris is no Christian. In fact, he’s the antithesis of Christian.
True homophobes are spineless and weak minded individuals who support the homosexual agenda from fear of suffering reprisals if they don’t.
i’ve lost people as friends because they have gay relatives and they did the same thing this guy did.
“Chris has a gay son. He neglected to mention that when I met him at a business event the week before last...”
How does one trust a businessman after he neglects to mention such facts upon meeting him?
People can struggle with homosexuality and still be a follower of Christ. But they have to recognize that there struggle with it is a struggle with SIN.
I sometimes have trouble with temper....sinful explosions of anger, as opposed to explosions of righteous anger. I am working, by the grace of God, to stop these behaviors.
So this fellow who thinks sodomy is cool with God is dead wrong.
Not to bust his bubble but the “immutable” characteristic of human flesh is a sin.
So, that dog don’t hunt, dad.
I think you need to tackle the issue with intellectual honesty. You cannot defeat the emotional argument of someone with a personal relation to the issue, unless you are very well versed in the subject, in modern science as well as classical theology and philosophy of law and ethics.
I think the main problem is this belief that sodomy is not a sin like adultery and theft. People largely do still find adultery to be wrong. Adulterers are shamed in most circles. But the environment we’re in right now speaks of ‘homosexuals’ as an exalted class who are actually detached from the acts they perform. I have absolute sympathy for someone who has a child be brainwashed into thinking same-sex attraction is immutable and unchanging (contrary to most scholarship on the subject). When its your flesh and blood, tangled in emotional confusion, I can see how fathers are swayed, but you have to point out that homosexuality does not make people happy. Its happy for the rich queers in Hollywood who get their T.V. shows, or the couples pumped with millions of dollars to overturn state laws, but who is the average homosexual? He’s likely to be alcoholic, on drugs, being physically abused if in a relationship, contemplating suicide, suffering from other psychological maladies. It is not a fun life. It’s a life without purpose in terms of continuing genetic code.
What would I do if my son told me he was feeling these things? That’s a question often posed by libs (although the chances as a percentage are very remote). I would go through scripture with him, show him God’s plan for human sexuality and wellbeing. I would share with him the statistics and facts surrounding the lifestyle and what it means. I would share with him the fact that many more people than are actually homosexual go through a phase of homosexuality which fades in time. I would make clear to him that I cannot and never would affirm sodomy or any illicit sexual activities, because of my sincere belief in God’s law. I could not attend any sham marriage or allow his ‘partners’ into my house.
But I would preface this entirely with the fact that he would always be welcome. That I love him no matter what he does. I’d love him if he were a junkie, a drunk, a convict, even a murderer. Because God has also told me I should love even my enemies, how could I hate my son? Ultimately, in a free society, he will make his choices. I can only offer my advice, and that is that sodomy is not healthy, moral, or sensible.
Kind’a like some dude who proclaims, “I am not gay, but my boyfriend is.” Whatever. This planet makes very very little sense any longer.
I feel sorry for the guy. How hard would it be to have a child that you know for sure if they don’t change their ways they are probably bound for hell. IT would be easy to buy into the Liberal BS that being gay is not a choice to sooth your troubled soul. Having smooth words spoken to you does not change the truth and will not save his son. Confronting reality and the truth about yourself is how you find true peace in God!
And that is the worst thing that could ever happen to someone, in all of creation. God will NEVER think they have suffered enough, to be let out of Hell. What a scary thought, but no one needs to go there.
Paul in 1 Cor made a distinction between sexual sin and all other sins because sexual sins are sins against our own body. But I don’t believe God views my selfishness, or pride or judgementalism - sins I commit day in and day out as “better” than homosexual sin. Find me a sinner that Jesus was cruel to or condemning of - the tax collectors were viewed in that day as lower than homosexuals of today. The Good Samaritan parable if told to the audience posting on this story would have been the Good Homosexual! (stealing that from Dallas Willard - The Divine Conspiracy). The only audience he wagged his finger at were the religious leaders who seemed to be obsessed with making people feel crappy about their relationship with God. Jesus’ example challenges us to balance grace and truth the way he did. He never promised it would be easy. Or popular.
The same thing happened at our idiotic lib parish 2 years ago. The sermon was about homos and the priest sat down while the “guest lecturer” was a parent with a gay child during the sermon.
Basically...it was a lecture. A lecture that we, the parish members were monsters’ for not accepting the homo lifestyle. A couple of members just stood up and went out for a bit to cool down. I had a smoke. When he finally shut up, we went back in. I think he got the message. We weren’t going to listen to a lecture, we wanted a sermon about the God’s word and not some parent telling us to accept some abomination lifestyle.
I view the folks who would tar & feather Chris as being the “unchristian.” I seem to remember a phrase, “I can hate the sin, but love the sinner.”
Yes, his son is a sinner according to the Bible. My sons are sinners too, as are my daughters.
And the church-going Presbyterian claimed there is no Biblical basis for declaring homosexuality a sin.
The minister responsible for this failure needs to read the Bible and teach from it. I would consider myself a failure as a parent if my kids didn't understand the Bible better, and I'm not even a minister.
“So I challenged him on both claims. And my fellow conservatives, my fellow church members backed me.”
It’s nice when fellow Bible-believing Christians back you up in those situations. Personally speaking, I don’t know how much of a friendship I could have with a Maobama-voting democrat. Only one of my friends and his wife are democrats and we usually discuss things other than politics when we do actually spend time together and that’s not very often.
It’s interesting to me that we can declare the Biblical teachings against adultery, fornication, drunkenness, lying, etc., and get few - if any - arguments and push-back from the liars, addicts, and philanderers. You might get called holier than thou or a prude. But state the sinfulness of homosexuality and you start a war. You’re a bigot, a hater. It’s all sinful behavior, yet the pressure to - not just tolerate, but accept as normal and healthy - this one behavior is incredible.
I’m a Christian woman whom the Lord delivered from living in homosexuality, and to make a long story short here since I don’t have much more time tonight, something that does trouble me is how so much of the church is in rebellion but then still condemns homosexuality. The troubling thing isn’t homosexuality being condemned, but the church (and I should add, the church in rich, free countires, that is) rationalizing disobedience to God’s Word and embracing the world. So many Christians think nothing of dressing immodestly or watching entertainment that isn’t of God, but His enemy, and the fruits of it are all around us. I happen to run into Bible-believing Christians all the time who are around my age who see nothing wrong with Michael Jackson’s music. Yet he grabbed himself as part of his performances and his albums were called “Bad” and “Dangerous.” And for all he had, he destroyed himself, and no doubt others. In the end, all he and every other “star”/”idol”/”god” is is a human being that (Cont’d)
will have to one day bow the knee before Jesus and confess that He is Lord. The Lord won’t be impressed by his dancing or his Grammies. What will matter is if he is saved. Our first duty to everyone else is to make sure they’ve been warned and certainly not to feed their sinfulness.
As someone who lived in the gay lifestyle, I also have to say I know more people who you might say tried it briefly in their youth or flirted with the idea than who actually stayed with it, but for those who stayed, it’s a lot like being told by a bunch of drunk people to stop drinking yourself. Popular entertainment is like gasoline to the fire of our flesh, and it’s made Sodom seem upright next to how our society has become.
Is there a bisexual gene too?