Posted on 03/24/2014 12:58:22 PM PDT by metmom
Isn’t it unfortunate that we now have more of the Greek originals showing the flagrant errors in the Latin vulgate and Duoay Reheims? /s
Any one who ever refused to bow down to your pope is a heretic...A Catholic calling one a heretic is meaningless...Those your religion called heretics are the actual Christians of the Bible...And I am proud to be called one by any of you...
LOL! Montanists, Arians, Pelagians, Nestorians, Monophysits, etc. Great company there.
But, he was even more obsessed with the Jews, and the only individual that I know of in history that was more antisemitic than him was Hitler.
WHAT A MAN.
An Augustinian priest, supposedly, though I think he was a pretender even then — railing against celibacy so he could marry a Nun and have five children.
WHAT A MAN.
a new age religion perhaps, but a Christian — not so much.
Jesus gave the keys to Peter, Peter became the first Pope, and Christianity flourished for 1500 years
Jesus created a human church, not a divine one (and he’s still watching to see how his human church sorts its way)
Other than Peter and his successors, all is new age religion.
The first mass produced printed book was the Bible, a version based on the Latin edition from about 380 AD.. The Bible was printed at Mainz, Germany by Johannes Gutenberg from 1452 -1455..
The Word of God and moveable type make an amazing impact together.
Godwin's Law.
You just forfeited the argument by comparing your opposition to Nazis/Hitler.
If it's human, it ain't the body of Christ. The body of Christ, IS spiritual in nature, comprised of all born again believers in Jesus.
All kidding aside though, Luther was nothing like Hitler. It was a stupid analogy.
Ddo you deny Christ’s humanity?
“None the less, by Tyndale’s day, vernacular Bibles were available in parts of Europe, where they added fuel to the popular questioning of religious authority initiated by the monk Martin Luther - a religious crisis known as the Reformation, which resulted in the splitting of Christianity into Catholic and Protestant Churches.
In England, however, under the 1408 Constitutions of Oxford, it was strictly forbidden to translate the Bible into the native tongue. This ban was vigorously enforced by Cardinal Wolsey and the Lord Chancellor, Sir Thomas More, in an attempt to prevent the rise of English ‘Lutheranism’. The only authorised version of the Bible was St Jerome’s Latin translation, known as the ‘Vulgate’, made in the fourth century and understood only by highly-educated people.
Tyndale’s mission was to make the Bible accessible to all. His translation was undeniably Lutheran in tone, replacing traditional words with new ones that argued a shift in the balance of religious power: ‘Congregation’ instead of Church; ‘elder’ in place of priest; and ‘repentance’ for penance.”
http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/sacredtexts/tyndale.html
Of course, Wycliffe’s followers were spreading the Word of God in England long before Tyndale, although they had to make them by hand. it is to be regretted that the established church had no desire for commoners to read the Word of God. There was no objection to the wealthy reading it, since the wealthy could be controlled. But what would happen if commoners could read it, for themselves?
A searchable version of Tyndale’s NT:
http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&query=Matthew+1§ion=2&translation=tyn&oq=Matthew&new=1
Wycliffe’s effort:
A one-way ticket.
But, he was even more obsessed with the Jews, and the only individual that I know of in history that was more antisemitic than him was Hitler.
You might want to think a little harder then. Luther had no secular power, but one agency did, let's check them out.
WHAT A MAN.
I agree, a man raised up by God to correct a wayward organization. Returned the Word of God to the people of God. Shook off the accretions of Rome that had obscured the Gospel of the Lord, justification by grace through faith not of works, just like the Apostolic Church taught.
Because of Luther the secular powers found their backbones and wouldn't submit to a papacy run by evil men. The ban and the interdict having lost their effect, men in leadership struck the sword of secular power from the hand of the papacy, a sword the papacy had no right to bear. Christ's kingdom isn't of this world, but the Pope's was. It took some time but Christians no longer had to fear the murderous hand of the pope as they sought the Kingdom of God as revealed in the Word that they could now read in their own language. Hear the Gospel of the Lord in their own language. WHAT A MAN. Indeed, a man with the help of God his Redeemer.
BTW, you got that source from #8 yet or is that more Catholic tradition?
Why don't you look up what those sects ACTUALLY BELIEVED before posting, because that claims is beyond ludicrous.
Yes it is...While those groups may have had some things wrong, they had many things right which included their belief that salvation was by grace thru faith without works and their refusal to bow down to your religion for they paid dearly...
You need to get outside of Catholic history once in a while...
Jesus gave the keys to Peter, Peter became the first Pope, and Christianity flourished for 1500 years
Jesus created a human church, not a divine one (and he’s still watching to see how his human church sorts its way)
Other than Peter and his successors, all is new age religion.
And that's as far as you guys can go...Just repeat what some guy with a robe told you...
What are the 'keys' that Peter and everyone else was given???
There wasn't a single pope anywhere until around 600 years after Peter died...If someone bowed to Peter, Peter would have kicked him in the nose...It is not Peter that your religion is framed after...
The physical church is assemblies of people who have professed Jesus as their Savior...But not all of those are real Christians since Christianity is of the heart...The real church is spiritual...
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
That's not you??? Then you are not a Christian regardless of what your counterfeit religion tells you...
Catholics still don't have it because they are taught not to believe it...
I should look up 'Catholic history' about those Christians??? Been there, done that...I am not so easily duped...
They have the Words of eternal life, unfortunately the .org lowered those Words of God and put them on par with Tradition and church teaching. In that way the Gospel has been obscured.
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