Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


1 posted on 04/03/2014 4:52:36 PM PDT by Rashputin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: Rashputin
... the Bible does not explicitly specify the precise date of Jesus’s crucifixion and it is not an essential salvation truth. But that does not make it unknowable or unimportant.

The authors make a reasonable case for their preferred date. However, in the absence of additional historical data, theirs is simply a hypothesis. (Didn't we recalibrate the calendar in the 18th century, anyway, so that "April 3" is no longer what it once was?) It may be that we will not be able to identify the date, just as we may never know for certain where Andrew Jackson was born or who Abraham Lincoln's father was.

They also didn't bother to make the case that knowing the date is important. I don't see what it would add to our present sure knowledge that there WAS such a date.

2 posted on 04/03/2014 5:05:35 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Email your grandmother!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Rashputin

Surprised at the flub by First Things. Nothing in John’s gospel suggests it is chronological, so its quite possible his cleansing of the Temple (chapter 2) is the same cleansing that other gospels place much later (e.g., Mark 11).


3 posted on 04/03/2014 5:07:54 PM PDT by dangus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Rashputin
Virtually all scholars believe, for various reasons, that Jesus was crucified in the spring of either a.d. 30 or a.d. 33, with the majority opting for the former.

Yet in his "Revolution In Judaea: Jesus And The Jewish Resistance", Hyam Maccoby argues Jesus' crucifiction took place in the fall, claiming that's when palm fronds are most in evidence in the Holy Land.

Sukkot, or the Feast of Tabernacles, is a Biblically mandated Jewish festival celebrated variably from late SEP to late OCT when, it is claimed by Maccoby, palm fronds are most plentiful and are used to make roofs for huts, or 'upper rooms' customarily built atop then existing dwellings in which meals are mandated to be taken.

Not having yet been to Israel ("Next year in Jerusalem"), I cannot personally verify this. But it does seem interesting.

Thoughts?

6 posted on 04/03/2014 5:27:50 PM PDT by onedoug
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Rashputin

Funny, a couple ‘harmonies of the gospel’ I saw have kind of ‘skipped’ a day at some point in that passion week because they can’t find a specific entry in the gospels to tie to that day in their week..
Seems odd.a most important week that it was. trying to get to that Friday,Saturday, Sunday gregorian thing I guess...

I think Leviticus 23 does a perfect job of telling us what happened when.


8 posted on 04/03/2014 5:44:14 PM PDT by delchiante
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Rashputin
"Six Days Before The Passover" (John 12:1).
This Is Appendix 156 From The Companion Bible.

   We are furnished by Scripture with certain facts and fixed points which, taken together, enable us (1) to determine the events which filled up the days of "the last week" of our Lord's life on earth; (2) to fix the day of His crucifixion; and (3) to ascertain the duration of the time He remained in the tomb.
   The difficulties connected with these three have arisen (1) from not having noted these fixed points; (2) from the fact of Gentiles' not having been conversant with the law concerning the three great feasts of the L
ORD; and (3) from not having reckoned the days as commencing (some six hours before our own) and running from sunset to sunset, instead of from midnight to midnight.
   To remove these difficulties, we must note :-

  1. That the first day of each of the three feasts. Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacles, was " a holy convocation", a "sabbath" on which no servile work was to be done. See Leviticus 23:7, 24, 35. Compare Exodus 12:16.
       "That sabbath" and the "high day" of John 19:31, was the "holy convocation", the first day of the feast, which quite overshadowed the ordinary weekly sabbath.
       It was called by the Jews Yom tov = (Good day), and this is the greeting on that day throughout Jewry down to the present time.
       This great sabbath, having been mistaken from the earliest times for the weekly sabbath, has led to all the confusion.

  2. This has naturally caused the futher difficulty as to the Lord's statement that "even as Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights, so shall the Son of man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights" (Matthew 12:40). Now, while it is quite correct to speak according to Hebrew idiom of "three days" or "three years", while they are only parts of three days or three years, yet that idiom does not apply in a case like this, where "three nights" are mentioned in addition to "three days". It will be noted that the Lord not only definitely states this, but repeats the full phraseology, so that we may not mistake it. See the subject fully discussed in Appendix 144.

  3. We have therefore the following facts furnished for our sure guidance:

    1. The "high day" of John 19:31 was the first day of the feast.
    2. The "first day of the feast" was on the 15th day of Nisan.
    3. The 15th day of Nisan, commenced at sunset on what we should call the 14th.
    4. "Six days before the passover" (John 12:1) takes us back to the 9th day of Nisan.
    5. "After two days is the passover" (Matthew 26:2. Mark 14:1) takes us to the 13th day of Nisan.
    6. "The first day of the week", the day of the resurrection (Matthew 28:1, etc.), was from our Saturday sunset to our Sunday sunset. This fixes the days of the week, just as the above fix the days of the month, for:
    7. Reckoning back from this, "three days and three nights" (Matthew 12:40), we arrive at the day of the burial, which must have been before sunset, on the 14th of Nisan; that is to say, before our Wednesday sunset.
    8. This makes the sixth day before the passover (the 9th day of Nisan) to be our Thursday sunset to Friday sunset.

       Therefore Wednesday, Nisan 14th (commencing on the Tuesday at sunset), was "the preparation day", on which the crucifixion took place: for all four Gospels difinitely say that this was the day on which the Lord was buried (before our Wednesday sunset), "because it was the preparation [day]" the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, "for that sabbath day was a high day", and, therefore, not the ordinary seventh day, or weekly sabbath. See John 19:31.

  4. It follows, therefore, that the Lord being crucified on "the preparation day" could not have eaten of the Passover lamb, which was not slain until the evening of the 14th of Nisan (that is to say, afternoon). On that day the daily sacrifice was killed at the 6th hour (noon) and offered about the 7th hour (1 p.m.). The killing of the Passover lambs began directly afterwards. Thus it is clear, that if the killing of the Passover lambs did not commence until about four hours after our Lord had been hanging upon the Cross, and would not have been concluded at the ninth hour (3 p.m.) when "He gave up the ghost;" -no "Passover lamb" could have been eaten at the "last supper" on the previous evening.

  5. With these facts before us, we are now in a position to fill in the several days of the Lord's last week with the events recorded in the Gospels. By noting that the Lord returned to Bethany (or to the Mount of Olives) each night of that week, we are able to determine both the several days and the events that took place in them.

THE SIXTH DAY BEFORE THE PASSOVER, THE 9th DAY OF NISAN.
(Our Thursday sunset to Friday sunset.)
  MATTHEW. MARK. LUKE. JOHN.
The Lord approaches Jerusalem from Jericho.     19:1-10  
He passes our Thursday night at the house of Zacchaeus (Luke 19:5) And delivers the Parable of the Pounds.     19:11-27  
He proceeds toward Jerusalem.     19:28  
He sends two disciples apenanti for an "ass" and a "colt" (two animals). 21:1-7      
And makes His first entry from Bethphage (not Bethany) (Appendix 153). 21:8,9      
He is unexpected, and they ask "Who is this?" 21:10, 11      
He cleanses the Temple. 21:12 - 16      
HE RETURNS TO BETHANY. 21:17     12:1
THE FIFTH DAY BEFORE THE PASSOVER, THE 10th DAY OF NISAN.
(Our Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.)
  MATTHEW. MARK. LUKE. JOHN.
The Lord passes the Sabbath at Bethany; and after sunset (on our Saturday), the first of three suppers was made, probably at the house of Lazarus, in Bethany (Appendix 157).       12:2
At this supper the first of two anointings took place (Appendix 158).       12:3 - 11
THE FOURTH DAY BEFORE THE PASSOVER, THE 11th DAY OF NISAN.
(Our Saturday sunset to Sunday sunset.) the Gentile "Palm Sunday".
  MATTHEW. MARK. LUKE. JOHN.
The second, or triumphal entry into Jerusalem. He sends two disciples (katenanti for a colt (one animal). (See Appendix 153).   11:1 - 7 19:29 - 35 12:12-
The Lord starts from Bethany (not Bethphage) and is met by multitudes from Jerusalem (Appendix 153)   11:8 -10 19:36 - 40 12:12 - 19
He weeps over the city.     19:41 - 44  
He enters the Temple, looks around.   11:11-    
And RETURNS TO BETHANY   11:-11    
THE THIRD DAY BEFORE THE PASSOVER, THE 12th DAY OF NISAN.
(Our Sunday sunset to Monday sunset.)
  MATTHEW. MARK. LUKE. JOHN.
In the morning (our Monday a.m.) the Lord returns to Jerusalem. 21:18 11:12    
The Fig - tree cursed. 21:19 - 22 11:13 , 14    
The Temple. Further cleansing.   11:15 - 17 19:45, 46  
In the Temple. Further teaching, "Certain Greeks".     19:47- 12:20 - 50
Opposition of Rulers.   11:18 19:-47, 48  
He goes out of the city (probably to Bethany; see Luke 21:37, 38 below).   11:19    
THE SECOND DAY BEFORE THE PASSOVER, THE 13th DAY OF NISAN.
(Our Monday sunset to Tuesday sunset.)
  MATTHEW. MARK. LUKE. JOHN.
In the mornig (our Tuesday a.m.) on the way to Jerusalem, the question of the disciples about the Fig Tree.   11:20 -26    
In Jerusalem again: and in the Temple. 21:23 - 27 11:27 - 33 20:1 - 8  
In Jerusalem teaching in Parables; and questions. 21:28 - 23:39 12:1 - 44 20:9 - 21:4  
The first great prophecy, in the Temple (Appendix 155).     21:5 - 36  
(Parenthetical statement as to the Lord's custom during the last week).     21:37, 38  
The second great prophecy, on the Mount of Olives. 24:1 -51 13:1 - 37    
The second great prophecy, continued (see Appendix 155). 25:1 - 46      
"After two days is the Passover". 26:1 - 5 14:1, 2    
HE RETURNS TO BETHATNY, and is present at the second supper in the house of Simon the leper. The second Anointing. See Appendix 157 and Appendix 158. 26:6 - 13 14:3 - 9    
THE DAY BEFORE THE PASSOVER, THE 14th DAY OF NISAN -
"THE PREPARATION DAY" - THE DAY OF THE CRUCIFIXION.
(Our Tuesday sunset to Wednesday sunset.)
  MATTHEW. MARK. LUKE. JOHN.
The plot of Judas Iscariot to betray the Lord. 26:14 - 16 14:10, 11 22:1 - 6  
The "preparation"for the last supper.1 26:17 - 19 14:121 -16 22:71 - 13  
"The even was come" (our Tuesday after sunset) when the plot for the betrayal was ripe for execution. 26:20 14:17    
The last supper, commencing with the washing of the feet.       13:1 - 20
The announcement of the betrayal, etc.. 26:21 - 25 14:18 - 21   13:21 - 30
The supper eaten, the "New Covenant" made (Jeremiah 31:31). The lamb abolished, bread and wine substituted. 26:26 - 29 14:22 - 25 22:14 - 23  
The first prophecy of Peter's denials (Appendix 160).       13:31 - 38
The strife; who should be the greatest, etc..     22:24 - 30  
The second prophecy of Peter's denials (Appendix 160).     22:31 - 34  
The final appeal to His first commission (Luke9:3).     22:35 - 38  
The last discourse to the eleven, followed by His prayer.       14:1 - 17:26
They go to Gethsemane. 26:30 - 35 14:26 - 29 22:39 18:1
The third prophecy of Peter's denial. (Appendix 160).   14:30, 31    
The agony in the garden. 26:36 - 46 14:32 - 42 22:40 - 46  
The apprehension of the Lord (Appendix 165). 26:47 - 56 14:43 - 50 22:47 - 54 18:2 - 11
The escape of Lazarus
(see notes on Mark 14:
51, 52).
  14:51, 52    
The trials: continued throughout our Tuesday night. 26:57 - 27:31 14:53 - 15:19 22:54 - 23:25 18:12 - 19:13
About the sixth hour (our Tuesday midnight) Pilate said "Behold your King".       19:14, 15
Led away to be crucified. 27:31 -34 15:20 - 23 23:26 - 31 19:16, 17
And "led with Him" two "malefactors" (kakourgoi) (Appendix 164).     23:32, 33 19:18
Discussion with Pilate about the Inscriptions (Appendix 163).       19:19 - 22
The dividing of the garments. 27:35 - 37 15:24 23:34 19:23, 24
"It was the third hour, and they crucified Him" (our 9 a.m. Wednesday).   15:25, 26    
"Then were there two robbers" (lestai) crucified with Him"(Appendix 164). 27:38 15:27, 28    
The revilings of the rulers, both "robbers", and one "malefactor". 27:39 - 44 15:29 - 32 23:35 - 43  
The Lord's mother and John.       19:25 27
"The sixth hour" (our Wednesday noon) and the darkness (Appendix 165). 27:45 - 49 15:33 23:44, 45  
"The ninth hour" (our Wednesday 3 p.m.) and the expiring cry (Appendix 165). 27:50 15:34 - 37 23:46 19:28 - 30
Subsequent events. 27:51 - 56 15:38 - 41 23:47 - 49 19:31 - 37
Buried in haste before sunset (our Wednesday about 6 p.m.), before the "high day" (the first day of the Feast began), our Wednesday sunset. 27:57 - 66 15:42 - 47 23:50 - 56 19:38 - 42

"THE FIRST DAY OF THE FEAST" - "THE HIGH DAY" (Yom tov) - THE 15TH DAY OF NISAN.
(Our Wednesday sunset to Thursday sunset.)
THE FIRST NIGHT
AND FIRST DAY IN THE TOMB.

THE SECOND DAY OF THE FEAST - THE 16TH DAY OF NISAN.
(Our Thursday sunset to Friday sunset.)
THE SECOND NIGHT
AND SECOND DAY IN THE TOMB.

THE THIRD DAY OF THE FEAST - "THE (WEEKLY) SABBATH" - THE 17TH DAY OF NISAN.
(Our Friday susnset to Saturday sunset.)
THE THIRD NIGHT
AND THIRD DAY IN THE TOMB.

"THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK" - THE 18TH DAY OF NISAN.
(Our Saturday sunset: "the third day" of Matthew 16:
21, etc.;
not the third day of the Feast.)


  MATTHEW MARK LUKE JOHN
Thus, the Resurrection of the Lord took place at our Saturday sunset, or thereabouts, on "the third day"; compare "after three days" (Matthew 27:63. Mark 8:31). 28:1 - 10 16:1 - 18 24:1 - 49 20:1 - 23

[For the sequence of events connected with and following the Resurrection, see Appendix 166.]

   It will be seen from the above that we have neither power nor authority to alter or shift any day or date; or to change the order or position of any of the events recorded in Holy Writ.
   Each day is marked by a return to Bethany during the last week (up to the Preparation Day); and each day is filled with the recorded events.
   It follows, therefore, that the Lord was crucified on our Wednesday; was buried on that day before sunset; and remained "three days and three nights" in the tomb, as foretold by Him in Matthew 12:
40; rising from the dead on "the third day", "the first day of the week".
   The fixed days and dates, at either end, hold the whole period as in a vice, and place the whole subject on a sure foundation.

NOTE

   1 The words in Mark 14:12 and Luke 22:7 refer to "the first day of unleavened bread", which was the 14th day of Nisan, and therefore "the preparation day". That is why the Lord goes on to tell the two disciples to go and make preparation for the Passover.

Appendix List

CLICK HERE TO GO HOME

GO TO THE TOP

therain.org 2000.

16 posted on 04/03/2014 9:38:50 PM PDT by BikerTrash
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Rashputin; KingOfVagabonds; Berlin_Freeper; UnRuley1; mlizzy; mc5cents; RichInOC; ...
+

Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

58 posted on 04/06/2014 8:13:20 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Rashputin
In our new book, The Final Days of Jesus: The Most Important Week of the Most Important Person Who Ever Lived

It's not past tense. Jesus still lives today.

64 posted on 04/06/2014 8:30:11 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson