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To: D-fendr

If the concept of enlightenment by the Holy Spirit being necessary for understanding Scripture is being mocked, the person is mocking the source of that statement.

Either God inspired Scripture or He did not. If He did, He is being mocked.

If the Catholic church gave us Scripture, then it is being mocked for making that statement.

It’s a lose/lose situation for a Catholic to be in. They can’t not offend someone and put their soul in jeopardy.


76 posted on 04/24/2014 8:36:39 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom

The disagreement is not with God or His Word. It is with you.

If you think disagreeing with you is disagreeing with either.. then you think you’re God.

Sorry, but no.


78 posted on 04/24/2014 8:53:17 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: metmom

Logic error here. jjotto is implying the voice is not really the Holy Spirit. Indeed, Catholics believe you need the Holy Spirit to interpret Scripture. The question is how does the Spirit do this?

In the Catholic Church, the Spirit is present when the bishops act in concert. “Where two or three are gathered...” I’m sure you know the rest. That is how the Church claims authority to interpret Scripture. When they are in the councils, the Holy Spirit is the authorizing agent for the pronouncements of the council. Yes, this includes things not directly referenced in the Bible. For a Catholic to deny what comes out of a council is functionally equivalent to denying God. In the past this was covered by anathemas directed against whatever heresy with which the council was concerned.

The Holy Spirit may contact a person directly, but it would be very difficult to prove. Good luck to whoever tries that, especially if the claimant shows a lack of charity and humility.


80 posted on 04/24/2014 10:08:24 PM PDT by Seraphicaviary (St. Michael is gearing up. The angels are on the ready line.)
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To: metmom
If the concept of enlightenment by the Holy Spirit being necessary for understanding Scripture is being mocked..

Which it is not. Your premise is false and therefore your conclusions.

88 posted on 04/25/2014 6:44:48 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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