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1 posted on 05/06/2014 6:00:33 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Or perhaps, more insanely, they will claim, in an Orwellian turn, that the new policy was always the church's real policy.

Sadly, he's got that right. "Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia."
2 posted on 05/06/2014 6:21:10 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: SeekAndFind

Well they can’t very well resist someone else’s Pope.


3 posted on 05/06/2014 6:26:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Interesting article in that it creates a number of arguments that are in opposition to much of the Catholic teachings. Foundational to this article is the concept that a Catholic could hold a theological opinion that differs from the Pope. In addition, that the Catholic would be motivated by their moral code to then resist or oppose the Pope. This would be a direct opposition to the belief that the Church has primary authority and would presuppose that the individual has the moral obligation to judge the morality of the current ecclesiastical teachings.

I would ask a challenge question in response. If one is to oppose the Pope, then where would they go to seek guidance of their moral code? I therefore postulate that the scriptures would be the primary means of guidance, in that anything taught by the Pope would have to align with scripture in order to be accepted as “right”. IOW, prima scriptura (scripture is the first and foremost authority)


5 posted on 05/06/2014 6:40:20 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: SeekAndFind

Slippery slope on both sides here. Too bad the author did not admit his biases. For all its faults (and I believe they are many) the Catholic Church still provides a bastion of sanity and spirituality for a billion people. I have little respect for those who would seek to undermine that foundation - just as I would reject those who would pervert it from within.

We live in difficult times. More patience, prayer, study and contemplation is needed, and less reactionary efforts, if peace is to be maintained.

Not to say that corrections shouldn’t be made where necessary. But humility on both sides, as well as strict honesty, is crucial.


6 posted on 05/06/2014 6:40:43 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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Ping... Lots to think about here. Put me in mind of several of our recent conversations, including the one about your congregant whose face is wetted with tears due to her unresolved divorce — that issue is referenced in this article.


7 posted on 05/06/2014 6:45:12 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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The current Pope may be a little out of line and think of himself as JPII did - a rock star - which was of little help to the Church until Cdl Ratzinger (BXVI) took over the theological part of the reign of JPII.

Pope Francis has been good on many things, vague and easily misinterpreted on others, and probably reluctant to come across as a “heavy” and state the Church’s position on yet others. I think he’s quite orthodox, but he’s just a 1980’s kind of guy, unfortunately.

Oddly enough, BXVI, who was older than Francis, came across as much younger and more attuned to modern realities, IMHO. But not everybody would see it this way, and that’s why the Holy Spirit intervenes. What we have is what we’ve got.


8 posted on 05/06/2014 6:48:54 PM PDT by livius
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To: SeekAndFind

To resist/oppose the edicts of the Pope is grounds for excommunication.


12 posted on 05/06/2014 7:57:56 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: SeekAndFind

"Resistance is futile."


14 posted on 05/06/2014 8:24:50 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: SeekAndFind

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17 posted on 05/06/2014 8:42:51 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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This article smacks of a divisive spirit to me.


21 posted on 05/06/2014 9:00:30 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SeekAndFind
Pope Francis has a funny way of naming and shaming certain tendencies in the church, using insults that are inventive, apposite, and confounding. His ear is finely tuned for the way the Catholic faith can be distorted by ideology. And I'd like to imitate his example when I say this: Most Catholics are completely unprepared for a wicked pope. And they may not be prepared for Pope Francis either. They are more loyal to an imagined Catholic party than to the Catholic faith or the church.

IB4TPWMA

23 posted on 05/06/2014 9:30:34 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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