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To: WVKayaker
2 Timothy 3: 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

This passage is probably the verse most commonly cited in defense of Luther's doctrine of "the Bible alone as the sole rule of faith," but it simply doesn't support Luther's doctrine.

Where do you see "the Bible alone as the sole rule of faith" in this passage?

Additionally, the scriptures that Paul is referring to are the Old Testament, since the New Testament was not yet canonized, with some books yet to be written. Is the Old Testament the "sole rule of faith"?

If so, which Old Testament is the "sole rule of faith," the Orthodox canon, the Catholic canon, or Luther's canon? Does the Bible tell us which is the correct Bible?

Fourth, Paul is giving this prudent advice to Timothy, "the servant of God," i.e., a presbyter/priest, or bishop.

Finally, Scripture upholds the authority of Apostolic Tradition and the Church, in addition to Sacred Scripture.

"If he will not listen to the Church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector." --Jesus

"He who hears you, hears me." --Jesus to the Apostles

"I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." --Jesus to Peter [see also Isaiah 22:22 and Rev. 3:7]

"the church of the living God, which is the pillar and foundation of truth." --St. Paul

"So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter." --St. Paul

"Now I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold firmly to the traditions, just as I delivered them to you." --St. Paul

These verses flatly contradict Luther's doctrine, which is why Protestants seem to be unfamiliar with them, or simply ignore them.
102 posted on 05/23/2014 3:15:56 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
These verses flatly contradict Luther's doctrine, which is why Protestants seem to be unfamiliar with them, or simply ignore them.

We don't ignore Scripture, we put it into proper CONTEXT! Paul was addressing Timothy, but the Words have been preserved as a direction to all believers. Again, the RC usurpation of Scripture (God Breathed /inspired Words) where it suits their purposes, but ignores the rest!

1 Corinthians 1: 31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32 Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God— 33 even as I try to please everyone in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved. ...

... 11: 1 Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.

2 I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you. 3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved. 6 For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. ...

104 posted on 05/23/2014 3:38:41 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("Let's keep the grassroots momentum going ..." -Sarah Palin 4/19/14)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Where do you see "the Bible alone as the sole rule of faith" in this passage?

Right here...

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Additionally, the scriptures that Paul is referring to are the Old Testament, since the New Testament was not yet canonized, with some books yet to be written. Is the Old Testament the "sole rule of faith"?

The NT was canonized the second Paul spoke it...

If so, which Old Testament is the "sole rule of faith," the Orthodox canon, the Catholic canon, or Luther's canon? Does the Bible tell us which is the correct Bible?

Glad you brought that up because YES, it certainly does...

Luk_24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

There you go...No Catholic apocrypha involved whatsoever...

And here's another...

Luk_11:51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

Everything between Genesis and Zachariah...

"If he will not listen to the Church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector." --Jesus

Did Jesus tell every one who had an issue with another believer to pack up and head to Rome??? Nope...This is a local church issue and had nothing to with the pyramid theology of Rome...

105 posted on 05/23/2014 3:44:44 PM PDT by Iscool
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