Pope Francis Entrusts Holy Land Pilgrimage to Mary

NC Register ^ | 5/23/2014 | BY CNA/EWTN NEWS

[Mercat]

Just remembered. She was at Pentecost. Why?

[ebb tide]

The U.S. Bishops use a "they" shall crush the serpent's head.

At this point in time, I consider the vast majority of U.S. bishops to be serpents themselves. Just this week, they'll celebrate Ascension Thursday on a Sunday.

Still, the DR is a lonely outcast nowadays.

Yeah, have you ever wondered why? The novus ordo Catholics have protestantized the Mass, the Sacraments, the Catechsim and the Bible.

[ebb tide]

Care to comment on these other Bible quotes that refer to Mary as the Mother of Jesus?

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[31] Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus. [32] He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever. Luke Chapter 1<<

>>[41] And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the infant leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: [42] And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. [43] And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? [44] For behold as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy. [45] And blessed art thou that hast believed, because those things shall be accomplished that were spoken to thee by the Lord. Luke Chapter 1<<

Were John, Luke, the Angel Gabriel and Elizabeth all liars. If so what good is your Bible if you deny it refers to to Mary as being the Mother of Jesus? Or are you just claiming that Jesus is not God? Which is it?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

All wonderful passages. Not sure why you are posting them to me.

We started our conversation because you were making an argument with another poster that hinged on “Jesus referred to Mary as His mother while on the cross.”

I pointed out that it is not recorded in Scripture and perhaps you remembered incorrectly.

Ergo, your argument had no support, as you framed it.

Four posts later, I’m not sure you’ve accepted that fact yet.

Obviously, Mary was the earthly mother of Jesus. Chosen by God to fulfill His prophecy. That is another whole conversation.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“Were John, Luke, the Angel Gabriel and Elizabeth all liars. If so what good is your Bible if you deny it refers to to Mary as being the Mother of Jesus? Or are you just claiming that Jesus is not God? Which is it?”

I find it distasteful when posters on FR - particularly those who claim to be Christians - take this, “were they liars” approach. Combined with a demanding spirit in a post like this, it is not winsome and does not fulfill Christ’s command to love each other.

Full disclaimer: this kind of thing seems to find its way into the posts of people of many denominations and it is always sad. It is like demanding an answer to “did you stop beating your wife!”

I don’t find it persuasive either. We can all do better.

[delchiante]

http://www.fatimacrusader.com/praytherosary/prayrosary1.asp

Is a link...

This was part of the how to pray rosary instruction manual I received from a Catholic when he gave me sets of rosary beads... they we’re on the first pages of the booklet..

There are 15 promises. Lots of I, me and my from Mary (in the first person)

Those are either from her or somebody created them in the church....

Either way, with my original post I showed Biblical verses that contradict just her first promises on her list...and the forum turned predictably into a Catholic vs. Protestant fight which is comical from my standpoint.. (just a mother/daughter spat)

This spirit giving these promises isn’t pointing to The Way, Truth and Life....

And she does point to jesus by name in number 14( took till the 14th to mention his name) so we all have to wonder why...

My point is that this mary is a greco roman latin mother, queen of heaven and mother of the greco roman latin savior..

And they are substitutes for the real Miriam, a Torah observant Israeli mother of the real Messiah of Israel, Joshua...

There is no Torah in those promises.. and certainly her very son’s words (Whether your bible uses Jesus or Joshua) in scripture contradict this mary or spirit assumed to be the mother of the Messiah of Israel.

I am curious if your bible has changed the name in acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8 to Joshua or if it is still Jesus in the text like it is in one of my bibles.

Satan is the father of all lies and he is a master counterfeiter...even the calendar the world uses is not based on the bible. Subtle lies and big whoppers all belong to him..

It is a staggering proposition to a believer to think the master counterfeiter could counterfeit the savior of the world..

Through study and observing our Heavenly Father’s calendar, I have no doubt we live in a counterfeit world and accept some very false premises as truths in our everyday lives...

Miriam certainly was with her son and was full of grace- and being a Torah observant mother that she was, wouldn’t come back here and give these promises...

And the fact that these get handed out with the rosary beads into hands of the children with little discernment, they will soon believe these like they believe 2+2=4...

And as Jeremiah the prophet spoke in 16:19-
the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit..

His mercy and grace is needed by everyone more than we even know....

The words of the Messiah are truth.. so is the entire bible.. but these promises are not.. and lies will not point to the Truth...

And yes, protestants would feel the need to call this crazy talk too so you all are in company.. a unifying moment in the Catholic/Protestant fights on here... :)

This is a journey of only a couple years and began with the study of the sign of Jonah and His appointed times, and a nice gesture from a catholic who gave me two sets of rosary beads with the instruction manuals...

And it is humbling to unlearn what one thought one knew..my faith is not in a church, or in a pastor, preacher, doctrine...

It is in the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the finished work of His only begotten Son, Yahshua/yeshua/joshua , the Messiah of Israel.. and trusting him for everything, including my livelihood , these last two years, now into the third..

And I knew him as Jesus to begin with like we all do because the church uses it and he meets us wherever we are.. but he loves us all too much to let us stay there...

And he moved me.. and It is All for His glory...

Even if it means my friends and family, FReepers, the pope or billy graham would look at me and say, I have a scew loose... :)

[aMorePerfectUnion]

As the saying goes...

If it starts with a real saint, it ends in the glory of God.
If it ends with the glory of the messenger, it didn’t start with God.

[ebb tide]

“Earthly mother” as opposed to what other “mother”?

[ebb tide]

I’m not demanding an answer. I’m just pointing out that some people pick and choose what they believe in their Bibles; Martin Luther comes to mind.

I admit I accidentally misrepresented Christ’s words from His Cross. I will not back down, however, from my assertion that Mary is the Mother of Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, Who is God.

Salvation and myself have provided you with numerous bible quotes where the above is stated; you have refused to address any of them.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

"“Earthly mother” as opposed to what other “mother”?"

I'll pass. I am not on FR to argue.

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another."

- Jesus Christ

How about we try that?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“Salvation and myself have provided you with numerous bible quotes where the above is stated; you have refused to address any of them.”

No one doubts it. However, your claim was false. I ignored the parts that you provided that were not relevant to our specific discussion.

Going back and forth online is difficult when you begin to add additional people and rabbit trails.

[ebb tide]

Obviously, Mary was the earthly mother of Jesus.

And just as obvious, Jesus was God, while He was on earth. Ergo, Mary was the Mother of God and still is.

[Salvation]

**Still, the DR is a lonely outcast nowadays.**

So is the Jerusalem Bible which is used in many places around the world. My son loves the Douay Rheims; I lean more toward the Jerusalem or the RSV. The Revised NAB is posted first on the Readings threads, only because the formatting is the best with links to the Bible.

[ebb tide]

However, your claim was false.

And I've admitted it, right? Why won't you let it go?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“And I’ve admitted it, right? Why won’t you let it go?”

I did - a long time ago. You keep adding additional posts. Not sure why. Go in peace.

[ebb tide]

Pax. I’ll pray a Hail Mary for you.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Pax bax.

[ebb tide]

Pax bax.

Yeah, I figured your post 170 may not have been sincere.

Dominus tecum.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Peace back at you. Totally sincere. Chillax.

[BlueDragon]

At this point in time, I consider the vast majority of U.S. bishops to be serpents themselves. Just this week, they'll celebrate Ascension Thursday on a Sunday.

How dare them. So snake-y, like a bunch of little James Carvilles runnin' round hopey-changing ever-thin...oh wait...you said "snakes" not snakeheads, sorry but I thought I caught a glimpse of a squirrel or something out of the corner of my eye and got distracted...

Now where were we again before the Sky-Pilots go to the pop-movies, going all Samuel L. Jackson on

1) Scott Hahn
2) Jimmy Akin
3) USCCB
4) The Vatican

Oh, that's right, Genesis 3:15. It had something or another to do with snakes, didn't it?

Snake heads (James Carville's) being stepped on, NOT by a "her", but by the rather strangely expressed "her seed" which is given either neutral or male gender in the Hebrew texts (Jerome says male or "he" as I noted) and an unequivocal "he" shall crush the serpents's head in the Greek texts (woops! Augustine is going to be aghast, for there went the "seventy" translators under the bus -- or was that a 747's landing gear?).

Which leaves things to be, that now, even according to the Vatican and what they present as Scripture, not anymore is it that a "she" would be doing the stepping out and stepping on the "James Carville" herself personally, as the now sad & lonely Douay-Rheims would have it, since that not-so-good supporting cast, the old Vulgate, has gone bumpety-bump under the wheels too.

From "old" Vulgate

inimicitias ponam inter te et mulierem
et semen tuum et semen illius
ipsa conteret caput tuum
et tu insidiaberis calcaneo eius

And again from present-day, Vatican approved" Vulgate

Inimicitias ponam inter te et mulierem
et semen tuum et semen illius;
ipsum conteret caput tuum,
et tu conteres calcaneum eius”.

The "Magesterium" appears to have altered the text from what had previously long circulated.

Yeah, have you ever wondered why? The novus ordo Catholics have protestantized the Mass, the Sacraments, the [sic]Catechsim and the Bible.

So now we take the strike-through marking off of the listing for

4) The Vatican

???

Perhaps the question now is if Samuel L. Jackson can get one of the doors open and jump --- without a parachute --- will "Mary" catch him before he hits the ground? Or was he even "flying" on a plane in the first place, since it was just a movie?

Silver wings
shining in the sunlight
Roaring engines
headed somewhere in flight
They're taking you away,

leaving me lonely

Silver wings
slowly fading out of sight...