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To: delchiante

I assume you mean Mary, the mother of Jesus when you say false prophetess. I went through in my mind the times in the Bible when she speaks and is spoken to. I checked the “authorized” King James version. See the following: Luke 1:28-55; Luke 2:19; Luke 2:33-35; Luke 2:48; John 2:1-5; John 19:26-27. I’m aware in Matthew and Mark where Jesus said that the people who follow him are his mother and brothers etc. Mary followed him. She was there. She was his first disciple. Where does she prophesize? How is she a false prophetess? Is it your position that Jesus does not love his mother? If we are to love those whom Jesus love, how can we not love Mary?


158 posted on 05/25/2014 6:07:12 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: Mercat

http://www.fatimacrusader.com/praytherosary/prayrosary1.asp

Is a link...

This was part of the how to pray rosary instruction manual I received from a Catholic when he gave me sets of rosary beads... they we’re on the first pages of the booklet..

There are 15 promises. Lots of I, me and my from Mary (in the first person)

Those are either from her or somebody created them in the church....

Either way, with my original post I showed Biblical verses that contradict just her first promises on her list...and the forum turned predictably into a Catholic vs. Protestant fight which is comical from my standpoint.. (just a mother/daughter spat)

This spirit giving these promises isn’t pointing to The Way, Truth and Life....

And she does point to jesus by name in number 14( took till the 14th to mention his name) so we all have to wonder why...

My point is that this mary is a greco roman latin mother, queen of heaven and mother of the greco roman latin savior..

And they are substitutes for the real Miriam, a Torah observant Israeli mother of the real Messiah of Israel, Joshua...

There is no Torah in those promises.. and certainly her very son’s words (Whether your bible uses Jesus or Joshua) in scripture contradict this mary or spirit assumed to be the mother of the Messiah of Israel.

I am curious if your bible has changed the name in acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8 to Joshua or if it is still Jesus in the text like it is in one of my bibles.

Satan is the father of all lies and he is a master counterfeiter...even the calendar the world uses is not based on the bible. Subtle lies and big whoppers all belong to him..

It is a staggering proposition to a believer to think the master counterfeiter could counterfeit the savior of the world..

Through study and observing our Heavenly Father’s calendar, I have no doubt we live in a counterfeit world and accept some very false premises as truths in our everyday lives...

Miriam certainly was with her son and was full of grace- and being a Torah observant mother that she was, wouldn’t come back here and give these promises...

And the fact that these get handed out with the rosary beads into hands of the children with little discernment, they will soon believe these like they believe 2+2=4...

And as Jeremiah the prophet spoke in 16:19-
the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit..

His mercy and grace is needed by everyone more than we even know....

The words of the Messiah are truth.. so is the entire bible.. but these promises are not.. and lies will not point to the Truth...

And yes, protestants would feel the need to call this crazy talk too so you all are in company.. a unifying moment in the Catholic/Protestant fights on here... :)

This is a journey of only a couple years and began with the study of the sign of Jonah and His appointed times, and a nice gesture from a catholic who gave me two sets of rosary beads with the instruction manuals...

And it is humbling to unlearn what one thought one knew..my faith is not in a church, or in a pastor, preacher, doctrine...

It is in the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the finished work of His only begotten Son, Yahshua/yeshua/joshua , the Messiah of Israel.. and trusting him for everything, including my livelihood , these last two years, now into the third..

And I knew him as Jesus to begin with like we all do because the church uses it and he meets us wherever we are.. but he loves us all too much to let us stay there...

And he moved me.. and It is All for His glory...

Even if it means my friends and family, FReepers, the pope or billy graham would look at me and say, I have a scew loose... :)


166 posted on 05/25/2014 5:55:23 PM PDT by delchiante
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