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Can someone explain this from the Catechism?
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ^ | 05-31-14 | vanity

Posted on 05/31/2014 11:09:11 AM PDT by ealgeone

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To: Mrs. Don-o

Yeshua was clear: Those that love him keep the commandments.

They do it anxiously, because those commandments are “written on their hearts.”

If they are not written on your heart, find out why and fix it quickly, the time is short.
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181 posted on 06/02/2014 6:02:57 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
But what commandments? The moral commandments only!

Surely you understand that the OT precendents are, in some cases kept as-is and even radically strengthened because they conform to NT and Natural Law (like when the Lord Jesus condemned, not just adultery, but even adultery-in-the-heart); in some cases dropped because superseded, because they pertain the Temple and OT Temple practices --- like the sacrifice of animals --- which has been superseded by the NT; and some cases simply obsolete because they refer to abstaining from Canaanite fashions and practices (like the mixing of fabric fibers) for the sake of maintaining symbolic separation from the gentile nations.

Commandments come in different varieties: some part of the Eternal Moral La which can never, never change; some superseded; and some culturally obsolete.

182 posted on 06/02/2014 6:38:44 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you, but to act justly, to love tenderly, to walk humbly with your God)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Revelation 3 makes it plain that the feasts are the most important. They are how we “watch” for his coming.

If we don’t keep the feasts, he comes on us like a thief. Paul made this same point to the Thessalonians, telling them that since they knew the times and seasons that he would not come on them “like a thief.”

Also 1John 1:9 makes the point that if we expect forgiveness of our sins we must confess them and repent of them, and be clensed of our unrighteousness. All transgression of Torah is sin in John’s opinion.


183 posted on 06/02/2014 8:48:55 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

So John didn’t agree with the Council of Jerusalem?


184 posted on 06/03/2014 6:27:07 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you, but to act justly, to love tenderly, to walk humbly with your God)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You are simply accepting the twisted inverted interpretation of the Jerusalem council.

The message of the council was that the beginning believers not be scared off with too many requirements, because they would learn the rest by hearing Moses read in their synagogue every Sabbath day. So they gave them the bare minimum as a starting guide. The council was fighting the pollutions of the Pharisees, and their man made laws and traditions, and twisting of Torah to their own aggrandizement.

Every apostle taught Torah, and only Torah, every day. An unbiased reading of the epistles reveals this quite well, and Paul’s clear statements in Hebrews 3 and 4 demolish all of the popular nonsense about where Paul stood (and also remember Romans 2, where he clarified that Torah is our only path to the righteousness necessary for our future salvation).


185 posted on 06/03/2014 8:32:24 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
"Every apostle taught Torah, and only Torah, every day."

That is a flight of the imagination that goes totally against the available evidence. You can't read any of the Apostles' sermons in Acts, and their teachings in the Epistles, and say that "they taught Torah, and only Torah, every day."

Paul Himself said he taught only Christ, and Him crucified.

Hebrews 7:19
"The law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

Hebrews 7:22
"Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant."

Hebrews 8:6
"But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises."

Hebrews 9:23
It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these."

Neither is there any evidence from the early Church --- the writings of the Apostolic and Ante-Nicene Fathers, the public prayers like the Liturgy of St. James the Elder (Jerusalem Liturgy) --- that "the Church taught Torah and only Torah, every day."

Your assertions lack foundation in the evidence.

186 posted on 06/03/2014 8:58:57 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The law made nothing perfect, and a better hope is brought in, by which we draw near to God.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

How can it be a flight of imagination?

Paul stated clearly that the gospel that they were teaching was the very same gospel that Moses preached to Israel in the desert (Hebrews 3 and 4).

Did he lie? Teaching “Christ” means teaching what he taught, which was Torah and the prophets. Almost every teaching we have from Yeshua begins with “It is written...” That is Torah my FRiend! If you run from Torah, you are rejecting Yeshua.

The “better covenant” of Hebrews 7 is Torah written on the hearts of those whose forgiveness was paid by Yeshua’s blood. Better because the price has been paid, not a future hope.


187 posted on 06/03/2014 9:59:18 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
You have not an accurate idea of what I was saying. I am not saying to "run from Torah." I am saying that that which pertains to Christ is of eternal value; menstrual regulations and instructions on the treatment of people with skin diseases, for instance, are not.

Some discernment is to be applied to distinguish between Moral Law, Public Health Law, Labor Law, Ceremonial Law, and Ethnic Separatism Law.

You will find that at no time did the early Christians apply to gentiles any aspect of this but Moral Law.

188 posted on 06/03/2014 10:37:59 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and judment are the foundation of His throne." - Psalm 89:14)
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To: Mad Dawg

Yep! Profess is the key word there. We can profess to know each others heart, but ONLY God knows each heart.


189 posted on 06/03/2014 11:22:48 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You’re missing the whole point!

Yeshua said that the way to his Father’s rest is righteousness through Torah.

Your health is important, thus the dietary instructions are important. Part of the dietary instructions are specific to righteousness, such as avoiding the pork that the worshipers of the sun god consume in his honor (Easter). All aspects of Torah were fully observed by the early believers except circumcision, and ethnic observances.

Your sources of information are servants of the adversary.


190 posted on 06/03/2014 2:10:29 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
"...avoiding the pork that the worshipers of the sun god consume in his honor (Easter)."

¡Porco dío!

191 posted on 06/03/2014 3:53:12 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Justice and judment are the foundation of His throne." - Psalm 89:14)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Oinkos Dios.


192 posted on 06/03/2014 9:35:26 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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