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To: narses
“so I guess when the catechism says together with us they adore the one, merciful God....that’s not what it says??” That is certainly not ALL that it says. Your childish efforts to equate a sentence fragment to your nasty and false claims about what others believe represent a hideous example of either hate or immaturity at such a level that cannot possibly be reconciled to a claim to be a Christian in any reasonable sense of the word. You have truly revealed yourself her for all to see. You should be terribly ashamed of yourself.

I'll post it again for all to read.

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330

Pretty clear to me that this is equating Jehovah with Allah as being the one, merciful God. What is very sad, and somewhat scary, is that the catechism doesn't call Islam a false religion and Allah a false god.

If you want to redefine in your mind What I would suggest is that the catechism be revised to clearly differentiate the difference between God of the Bible and the false god Allah.

115 posted on 05/31/2014 4:04:38 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: ealgeone

“Pretty clear to me that this is equating Jehovah with Allah as being the one, merciful God. “

Try reading things in context:

The Church and non-Christians

Get it?

The Church and non-Christians

How can anything under that heading do what you claim?

...the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, ...
...the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, ...
...the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, ...
...the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, ...

Are you claiming that Islam does NOT “profess to hold the faith of Abraham”?


116 posted on 05/31/2014 4:07:50 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: ealgeone; narses

It looks like we’ve hit the broken record, lather-rinse-repeat stage of the discussion. We’ve had the “frank exchange of views,” and the ball is not moving.


120 posted on 05/31/2014 4:23:02 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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To: ealgeone
What is very sad, and somewhat scary, is that the catechism doesn't call Islam a false religion

They don't need to; it's assumed that all religions except Catholicism are "false religions" to some degree or another. It helps to read this stuff in the context of the rest of Catholic teaching, which it assumes.

As for "Allah being a false god," certainly some of the things Muslims say about Allah are not compatible with the Christian understanding. On the other hand, Arabic-speaking Christians have called God "Allah" for centuries, so simply saying "Allah is a false god" wouldn't cut it.

140 posted on 05/31/2014 9:28:59 PM PDT by Campion
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