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To: D-fendr
Do you not believe in the Incarnation?

You don’t believe Mary’s son, Jesus, is God?

I believe He is the "Son of God" and that He is "The Son of Man" and that He is Emmanuel because those terms are in the bible. I am very very sensitive to Catholic redefinition and relabeling of everything in the bible. To me it shows a very bad lack of respect for God's Word. I will say that I enjoy the way that you discuss these topics. Most people seem to go personal right away. Thanks for not doing that.

Perhaps we have greater differences than I thought.

That's still possible depending on how strongly you believe on RC doctrines that are unscriptural. Marianism is the biggest offense to me but I also loathe the Priesthood which is antiscriptural. The Pope, which is anti scriptural. The redefinition of the word "Church" also really bugs me. Just to name a few.

Do you believe the Word became flesh means God became incarnate? That Jesus is God, the Word become flesh, born of a woman?

Frankly with their doctrinal errors I don't believe that Catholics really believe those things. Time and time again when I or others use scripture to argue against bad RC doctrines the RC's will actually attack the bible itself finding it incomplete and insufficient.

442 posted on 06/15/2014 9:39:42 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (No one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.)
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To: DungeonMaster

Thanks for your reply.

The previous topic was Mary in Holy Scripture and I think the Incarnation qualifies as a fair amount of Mary in Holy Scripture. Mary is absolutely part of and necessary for the Incarnation. The Word become flesh has a mother. Catholics don’t redefine or relabel this, we accept is as fact. I think others try not to do so.

As far as doctrines and what is unscriptural, the doctrine of Sola Scriptura is unscriptural, worse it fails its own test and so is internally contradicting.

Sola scriptura is, in my view, a necessary evil once one leaves the Church and takes the authority of the Church upon themselves.

But our disagreement over this doctrine is going to lead to constant disagreement. It’s closely wedded to authority and what the “Church” is. We will not see much agreement here.


443 posted on 06/15/2014 10:31:51 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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