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Can an infant be baptized, be raised by believing parents & later turn from the faith?
6/15/2014 | Laissez-Faire Capitalist

Posted on 06/15/2014 12:52:19 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

1.) An infant is baptized, is raised by believing parents and later when older turns from the faith.

2.) An infant is baptized, has no believing parents to be raised by, and when older doesn't turn from the faith.

Given that the antithesis exists for 1 & 2, wouldn't it be prudent for the priest to baptize the fortunate infant as well as the unfortunate, as either could remain faithful when older, show perseverance against high odds, and no priest knows the future - only God Almighty?

Given that only God knows the future, perhaps withholding baptism isn't an option at all for the priest. If the priest is unsure about 1, 2 or the antithesis for both, should they let God do their baptizing for them if they lack faith?


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To: Iscool

In your eyes I’m a deceiver or hopelessly ignorant rube.... Why have a discussion with anyone with your superior intellect and knowledge.

You post a King James 1611 Translation and then slam me over a New American Standard translation?


141 posted on 06/15/2014 6:57:27 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: narses
I couldn't stand it any longer; to sit and watch the perversion of scripture taking place...Here's what you posted...

Titus 3:5 ... not because of any righteous deeds we had done but because of his mercy, he saved us through the bath of rebirth (baptism) and renewal by the holy Spirit.

Here's what the bible really says...

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

It is NOT a bath that regenerates us...Read the verse...It's the regeneration that washes us, not water...And there's not an ounce of water any where near regeneration...And what is regeneration???

1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

It ain't rub a dub dub, 3 Catholics in a tub...The baptism that saves us is a clear conscience toward God; repentance...

142 posted on 06/15/2014 7:00:44 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: ealgeone; aposiopetic; rbmillerjr; Lowell1775; JPX2011; NKP_Vet; Jed Eckert; ...

In the Religion forum, on a thread titled Can an infant be baptized, be raised by believing parents & later turn from the faith?, ealgeone wrote:

“guess the thief on the cross got a raw deal then...what with not be able to be baptized and all.”

See what guessing gets you? This is why Sola Scriptura fails, it is made up of guesswork and results in all sorts of goofy guesses.


143 posted on 06/15/2014 7:01:20 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: Iscool

144 posted on 06/15/2014 7:01:37 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: Mr Rogers

ROTFLMAO!!!!


145 posted on 06/15/2014 7:02:37 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: Bryan24
It’s kind of like God saying “Ok, now you SAID it. Prove to me that you mean it”.

You mean like this guy???

2Co 10:10 For his letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible.

That may be the Catholic view but that is not God's view...God doesn't need to see anything...

Act 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,

1Sa 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

God knows your heart before you turn to him and after you turn to him...God doesn't ask any Christians to prove their faith...What he does is give us the indwelling of the Holy Spirit so we can do things that please God...

146 posted on 06/15/2014 7:17:40 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Tax-chick

They’re not all gonna fit...


147 posted on 06/15/2014 7:18:59 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

It’s okay, I wouldn’t let them in it.


148 posted on 06/15/2014 7:21:10 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I have a classic sports car.)
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To: Salvation

Mormons baptize others based on the faith of a different person. How does that differ from Catholic teaching?


149 posted on 06/15/2014 7:30:19 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Left wing. Right wing. One buzzard.)
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To: ealgeone
I've never known an SBC church that baptizes infants.

More to the point of your statement though: Southern Baptists claim that 25% of SBC churches baptized no one in the past year.

150 posted on 06/15/2014 7:32:49 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
wouldn't it be prudent for the priest to baptize the fortunate infant as well as the unfortunate, as either could remain faithful when older, show perseverance against high odds, and no priest knows the future - only God Almighty?

I suppose that depends on the reason you're baptizing the baby in the first place. What do you think is being accomplished by this act of baptism?

151 posted on 06/15/2014 7:39:50 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Mr Rogers

The proxy baptism for Mormonism is for someone who died and isn’t there.

As I said above the baby is there, the parents are there and the godparents are there.

There is no “proxy” baptism in Catholicism. It is a real Baptism.


152 posted on 06/15/2014 7:47:30 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: narses
NO ONE denies that they can be traced to the care of nuns. Even the most ardent news article of defense - from Forbes - doesn't deny this.

Nor is it denied that instead of an individual burial for each, they were all ignominiously consigned to a mass grave.

Those are facts that even the RCC doesn't deny.

What remains unsatisfactory is WHY, genius.

What people on the left, right,, center, Prots and even some Catholics now ask why in the heck were they not each given a proper burial.

This mass grave crap is a travesty, as no one denies that the RCC couldn't afford individual graves.

And the RCC has yet to show ANY proof that they were ALL baptized.

153 posted on 06/15/2014 7:47:33 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: narses

Do you like it that they ended up like this?

I imagine some are wondering....


154 posted on 06/15/2014 7:49:12 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: The Grammarian

A sad comment indeed.


155 posted on 06/15/2014 7:49:55 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: narses

Nope. No guessing involved. Making the point he was not baptized yet Christ said he would be wih Him in paradise without benefit of baptism.


156 posted on 06/15/2014 7:51:45 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: Mr Rogers

Or engage in Ad Hom, as that appears to be Narcissus’ old standby here on this thread.....


157 posted on 06/15/2014 7:51:47 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Iscool

So Titus 3:5 isn’t what the Bible really says? Because it says Baptism is regeneration.

Unless “the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,” somehow isn’t Baptism.


158 posted on 06/15/2014 7:54:12 PM PDT by CraigEsq
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To: Iscool

But Baptism isn’t water.

Baptism is water and God’s word/command.

So both “baptism saves us” and “water doesn’t save us” are 100% correct.


159 posted on 06/15/2014 7:54:12 PM PDT by CraigEsq
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To: Mr Rogers

Hmmm.

Mormons have an addition to Genesis to Malachi and Matthew to Revelation - the Pearl of Great Price.

And Roman Catholics, just like Mormons, have additional books that they add to the scriptures with...


160 posted on 06/15/2014 7:56:44 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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