[piusv]

Those who continue to believe that the Vatican II Church upholds tradition are the ones who are not honest...and not truly Catholic.

[BlackElk]

So you say. When you have a pope in the Vatican, be sure to get in touch. Until then, you, like SSPX, are braying in the wilderness. BTW, if the actual Pope Saint Pius X were available on earth here and now, he would make short and final disposition of the LeFebvrite cult. See Pascendi Domenici Gregis (8/1907) and its accompanying Syllabus of Errors: Lamentabile Sane (7/1907).

Those of us who disagree with you, ummmm, disagree with you since we stand with the Vatican and with the popes and set a standard by which you likely will be judged since the popes have the keys and you folks do not.

One last question: When Jesus Christ promised to be with the Church until the consummation of the world, did he mean the Roman Catholic Church or the long distant yet to be created cult of Marcel the stiff-necked taste master whose "eighth sacrament" was defiance of the successors of St. Peter whenever they might have disagreed with the regal majesty of Marcel the self-worshiper and self-indulgent?

Marcel died `apparently unrepentant and defiant to the end. Will you?