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Did Paul invent or hijack Christianity?
Madison Ruppert ^ | 06/24/2014

Posted on 06/24/2014 2:13:28 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: CynicalBear

Oh, I can show where these things are taught, but not by your imaginary rule. See post 458.


461 posted on 06/26/2014 3:40:02 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven

What’s your point???


462 posted on 06/26/2014 3:40:09 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: FourtySeven
I missed where Elsie asked me that.

It was in a rhetorical reply to another #422.

I had noted you answered a question that was not asked.


“What is so important that God left out of Scripture that someone feels they need to add later?”

I missed where Elsie asked me that. I will answer here.

Again, prattling on about Mary and some possibly omitted miacles is NOT answering the question:

What is NEEDED for salvation that is NOT in the BIBLE?


463 posted on 06/26/2014 3:47:36 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: FourtySeven
You seem to have 'missed' another one - #424:

So you are equating the Comforter with the Roman Catholic Church?

464 posted on 06/26/2014 3:49:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
God didn't include everything we needed to know so here they are, the heroes, providing everything they claim God left out of Scripture.
465 posted on 06/26/2014 3:50:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: A_perfect_lady
Sadly, it hasn't actually stopped the government from taking our rights, as we have seen from FDR on.

WHAT 'rights'???

THESE???


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

It appears that you have THROWN away any claim to these 'rights' since they come from an invisible being.

Better luck next time.

466 posted on 06/26/2014 3:53:34 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: FourtySeven
The Assumption of Mary would be one answer to the question. Again, if all the miracles Jesus performed are not in Scripture it’s not too hard to see that this too might be omitted. Why? Because the Scriptures are about Jesus. Their focus is on him. Not Mary.

1Co_4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

You do not heed the words of God...The bible speaks nothing of an assumption of Mary...Or Mary having a special sinlessness...You are not to think of Mary or Peter or Paul or Apollos above what has been written in the scriptures...THAT'S SCRIPTURE...

Your religion is built upon all these 'add-ons' that don't exist...Elevating people above what God has written to us about them...That's not the Christianity of the Bible...

467 posted on 06/26/2014 3:53:50 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: D-fendr
Flour is useful for a perfect cake; flour alone does not make a cake. Your interpretation adds "alone" where it does not exist.

Your chosen religion teaches:

The BIBLE is useful for salvation; the bible alone does not make a salvation. Our traditions adds a LOT of stuff where it is absolutely essential.

468 posted on 06/26/2014 3:56:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: FourtySeven
You are certainly adding to Scripture when you clam it says anywhere that itself, is the ONLY source of Truth!

Needed seems to be REALLY hard for you to type!

... when you cla(i)m it says anywhere that itself, is the ONLY NEEDED source of Truth!

469 posted on 06/26/2014 3:59:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear
The problem with Catholics and those who follow a “church” is that they are not listening to the Holy Spirit but are listening to men.

And that's a very salient point...

That wafer they stick into their mouths doesn't say a word to anyone...But you get home in a quiet space and open the scriptures, the Holy Spirit thru those scriptures can have a conversation with you that is impossible to imagine...

470 posted on 06/26/2014 4:14:36 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: FourtySeven
This is what you are not getting, or stubbornly refusing to admit. When you show me a Scripture that says, "Scripture ALONE is the source of ALL truth (about Christianity)" then we will talk further.

I didn't say that the bible is the source of all truth about Christianity...What I say and have said is that the bible is all that is needed for us to know how to get saved...If it's not in the bible, it won't help us to gain eternal life...

You see my FRiend, you keep wanting me to play your game by your rules. "Show me that in the Bible or else it's not true". You, and all the other anti-Catholic Christians may be able to sucker other Catholics into playing that silly game but NOT me. You will FIRST demonstrate sola scriptura from Scripture or will be ignored

Sola scripture has been shown to you guys time and time again...You are apparently not looking for sola scripture...You are looking for the word 'alone' as if that is the requirement for your argument...

Now, do you want to answer my final question to you? Because I think it will be helpful in this regard:

And like I said, if you have a point, make it...Don't beat around the bush...

471 posted on 06/26/2014 4:24:33 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: FourtySeven
So you can’t show where the apostles taught those things? All that big talk about scripture not being the “only source of truth”. Castigating those who look to scripture as the arbiter of what is being taught. Lot’s of big talk but when confronted with what the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write that if the apostles didn’t teach it the teaching was to be considered “accursed”.

“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:8-9

That is rather concise and specific. Now, if you can’t show where the apostles taught what you teach then all who read these threads need to understand that the Holy Spirit specifically says “let him be accursed”. So how about no more obfuscation or RCC talking points but give us the source where you can prove that the apostles taught what you teach.

472 posted on 06/26/2014 4:25:19 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: FourtySeven; CynicalBear
Oh, I can show where these things are taught, but not by your imaginary rule. See post 458.

I can show you where Izlam and Mormonism are taught as well...The point is: if it is not taught by God, it isn't legitimate...

473 posted on 06/26/2014 4:28:05 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: ravenwolf
There are many things Paul says that I think make a lot of sense but I depend on Jesus only for my salvation.

Can you point to ANY post here where someone is depending on Paul instead of Jesus Christ for salvation?

In Paul's letter to the Thessalonians, he told them:

If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of that person and do not associate with him, so that he will be put to shame. Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother. (II Thess. 3:14-15)

In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching you received from us.( II Thess. 3:6)

And John, in his epistle said:

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. (II John 1:10)

We have a responsibility before God to obey the things He has revealed to us THROUGH the men He chose. And we WILL be accountable TO God if we refuse or neglect to do that.

474 posted on 06/26/2014 4:34:01 PM PDT by boatbums (Proud member of the Free Republic Bible Thumpers Brigade.)
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To: Iscool; FourtySeven

As far as I’m concerned Catholicism is in the same league as Mormonism and Islam. All of them take portions of scripture then add a bunch of stuff to it.


475 posted on 06/26/2014 4:43:12 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: boatbums

There is certainly enough evidence from the Holy Spirit that we are not to take any teaching that wasn’t taught by the apostles. Not to even associate with those people is rather telling.


476 posted on 06/26/2014 4:46:32 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: boatbums
We have a responsibility before God to obey the things He has revealed to us THROUGH the men He chose. And we WILL be accountable TO God if we refuse or neglect to do that.

Be nowhere near a Catholic Church when Christ returns.

477 posted on 06/26/2014 4:50:36 PM PDT by Karl Spooner (a)
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To: boatbums

We have a responsibility before God to obey the things He has revealed to us THROUGH the men He chose. And we WILL be accountable TO God if we refuse or neglect to do that.


I believe we are talking about the letters instructing the Church members.

A Church member was obligated to follow instructions from the overseers So I have no argument with that.

In the case of II John 1:10 I don`t know.


478 posted on 06/26/2014 4:57:03 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: D-fendr; metmom

Of course those that insist that the notion that Sola Scriptura is false cling to the absurd concept of Sola Ecclesia, which is not even hinted at in Scripture. Why? Because they say so.


479 posted on 06/26/2014 5:08:50 PM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: ravenwolf
A Church member was obligated to follow instructions from the overseers So I have no argument with that.

You are obligated to Christ, not overseers.

480 posted on 06/26/2014 5:10:52 PM PDT by Karl Spooner (a)
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