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To: DungeonMaster; NYer

The old call no man Father [Mt 23:9]. In what sense is this true? Your 1 line scripture site is typical of fundamentalist American Protestantism.

In the OT, God said Honor your Father and Mother. Do you really think Christ meant “oh, btw, honor them, but don’t call them Father and Mother”. In Mt. 15 Christ tells scribes and Pharisees that God Commanded you to “Honor your Father and Mother” and he who speaks evil of father and mother, let him die [Mt 15:4-5]. The Gospels of Mark and Luke both cite Christ stating that a Christian should honor his Father and Mother [Mk. 10:19; Luke 18:20] and Matthew cites Christ again stating honor your Father and Mother [Mt 19:19]. Saint Paul tells the Christian Community at Ephesus to “Honor your Father and Mother” [Eph 6:2]. Did Saint Paul miss the memo, is he a heretic according to your fundamentalist theology.

In another Gospel passage, when Christ enters Jerusalem Saint Mark calls David “Father” [c.f. Mk 11:10]. In Luke 16:24, the parable of bosom of Abraham, we read “and he called out Father Abraham”.

The passages above are enough to show your views are nonsense. But lets go even further for here is the Kicker. Saint Paul, writing to the Thessalonian Church states “for you know, like a {father} with his children, we exhorted each one of you...” [1 Thess 2:11]. In 1 Timothy 5:1, Saint Paul states regard an older man exhort him as you would a {father}. Perhaps the greatest kicker is this one “I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the Gospel. I urge you then be imitators of me. [1 Cor 4:14-16]

In numerous other passages, Saint Paul called Timothy his Child [obviously not his biological child, so in this sense, Paul was like a spiritual or theological father in the same sense Catholics call their priests Father]. For example, “Therefore I sent to you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, to remind you of my ways in Christ” (1 Cor. 4:17); “To Timothy, my true child in the faith: grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord” (1 Tim. 1:2); “To Timothy, my beloved child: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord” (2 Tim. 1:2).

In other passages, he refers to Timothy as his son. “This charge I commit to you, Timothy, my son, in accordance with the prophetic utterances which pointed to you, that inspired by them you may wage the good warfare” (1 Tim 1:18); “You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus” (2 Tim. 2:1); “But Timothy’s worth you know, how as a son with a father he has served with me in the gospel” (Phil. 2:22). Titus was also called by Saint Paul his child: “To Titus, my true child in a common faith: grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior” (Titus 1:4); “I appeal to you for my child, Onesimus, whose father I have become in my imprisonment” (Philem. 10).

In summary, if your view is correct [and it is NOT], then all the Gospel writers and Saint Paul are heretics. But your fundamentalist theology [your theology, not you personally] is 100% wrong. Catholics call priests Father in the sense of a spiritual Father just as many of the Apostles referred to Abraham [as cited earlier] and Isaac [Romans 10:9] as spiritual fathers and Saint Paul referred to himself as a spiritual father.


146 posted on 06/28/2014 7:10:23 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: CTrent1564

Great Points. Amen.


151 posted on 06/28/2014 9:26:24 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: CTrent1564

It doesn’t say the use of the word “father” is bad. But why does the Catholic church abuse names so much and why do they walk so closely to lines drawn by God. “Call no one Father” so the RCC makes it a title. “Don’t worship the queen of heaven” so the RCC makes that one of Mary’s hundreds of titles. “Do not worship images” so the RCC fills it’s buildings and houses with images. “Holy Father, keep through your Name” from John 17 and the RCC takes it upon itself to invent a Pope and give him one of God’s names. “Blesses are the breasts which nursed you. Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and do it” so the RCC invents/revives the worship of a Goddess while calling her Mary and using every synonym of worship they can think of to describe how to feel about her.


169 posted on 06/29/2014 1:00:43 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (No one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.)
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