Posted on 07/23/2014 7:07:07 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
Thanks for setting the record straight. I think some on here are trying to lead people to their church instead of to Christ. Tis a shame they care more about a church than Jesus.
Though the article may attempt to use "spiritual but not religious" in order to escape the charge of elitism, it is obvious what his premise is..
In fact, in the area of human guidance non-demominational Christians can be following a number of human “authorities”
To which the RC will reply than an ultimate supreme infallible authority is necessary, but which is nowhere promised shown as necessary (despite RC extrapolative attempts), but instead God often provided and preserved Truth by raising up men from without the magisterium to correct it. And thus the church began and faith has been preserved.
Moreover, RCs no more have an infallible interpretation for their supreme infallible authority than evangelicals do for theirs, and Catholicism exists in schism and sects, abounding in variant interpretations
In addition, Caths whom Rome treats as members in life and in death overall are less unified than evangelicals , and as what an entity really believes is shown by what it does and effects, (Mt. 7:20; Ja. 2:18) so this constitutes much what Rome really believes.
You may consider it and not be bound by it. That is my point; our personal interpretations are not binding or loosening, but rather those interpreted by the LORD, the prophets, and the apostles are binding. It is the calling of the holy catholic apostolic church to rightly interpret and teach scripture.
I would like to explore your point. Will you comment on the Greek word for interpretation first, and then we can continue. I totally understand about time.
Sez who?
“Jesus started a religion “
Lie. But it reveals the falseness that justifies the incorporation of pagan religion into Roman traditions and practices... none of which Christ commanded, nor which the Apostles taught.
Sure, later this evening. Peace ...
That is not the point, and your private interpretation which is not even official exegesis, wrests texts to teach 2Pt. 1:20 is about interpretation of Scripture apart from an supreme infallible magisterium, when it is actually is setting forth Scripture as the standard , and makes you a false teacher!
The context of 1Pt. 1:20 is clearly that of Divinely inspired prophecy , which is not a result of mans interpretive wisdom, but instead such were found "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow." (1 Peter 1:11)
In contrast to the product of man's wisdom and false prophets and teachers, Peter tells us, "We have also a more sure word of prophecy," "for the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." (2 Peter 119,:21)
This sets forth Scripture as the supreme authority, not the assuredly infallible magisterium of Rome, which like false teachers, takes the danger of individual private interpretation to the corporate level, claiming to be teaching Divinely revealed truths but which are not taught in Scripture. Such as perpetual papal infallibility (which is the epitome of individual interpretation) and that of the magisterium when speaking in accordance with her infallibly defined formula, with the veracity of which resting upon that premise.
But the teaches of which yet can require varying degree of interpretation, even as to what level each teaching falls under, and thus what level of assent is required. Which basically ends up meaning implicit assent should be given to all. Which is cultic, not Christian.
Because according to her interpretation (for she indeed fallibly engaged in such in deciding to submit to Rome), only Rome's interpretation can be correct in any conflict, as Rome has interpreted herself as being infallible.
Want to try it?
It is their security, like as in cults, and thus the reaction is similar..
Try what?
Good work, LC! That would persuade me...if I weren’t previously persuaded. Hope all doubters will take time to read through the Scripture you posted and give serious prayerful consideration. It’s very important.
R2z
Been there. Still doing that.
Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
I see nothing in that quote which makes the Roman Catholic church the sole interpreter of scripture or even mentions the Roman Catholic church at all. That’s the best you’ve got? The Comforter (The Holy Spirit) indwells all Christians.
Once again, Well Done!!
We hear ya on that BINDIUNG thing.
What has your chosen religion LOOSED lately?
I read your response and am not persuaded. I also note scripture in the follow up epistle by the same author dealing with those who wrest the Scriptures to their own destruction. I compare and contrast this with the case if what heresies could infect the churches of the holy catholic apostolic church that Jesus build on the apostles and prophets, himself being the chief cornerstone. How could sheep follow a wolf in sheep's clothing unless said wolf was misinterpreting the scriptures to lead them astray. With the thousands of denominations, sects, and even virtual websites that cloak the background and ordination of the teachers, I can see how sheep are led astray by false teachers who misinterpret the scripture, Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 14Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Te therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
It doesn’t look the poster knows what they post. It is contrary to their own arguments.
“Te” should read “Ye”; smart phone spell checkers misinterpret and change text they don’t understand.
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