[OneWingedShark]

Why not just say what you want to say, rather than spam us with gobldygook?

I said it; you weren't listening.
You said, regarding “instantaneous eternal guaranteed salvation”, that here is no such guarantee to be found anywhere in the scriptures, no matter how severely one may misinterpret the words of any of the apostles. I responded with scripture that strongly suggests you are wrong:

1. (John 10:28) I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
   — this is a guarantee WRT salvation, and it being eternal.
2. (John 10:7-10) Very truly, I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. All who came before me are thieves and bandits; but the sheep did not listen to them. I am the gate. Whoever enters by me will be saved, and will come in and go out and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly
   — this is a guarantee of its instantaneous nature; the instant you have entered you have entered and will be saved.

Notice that this is not a severe misrepresentation of the apostles; it's right there directly in John.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “I responded with scripture that strongly suggests you are wrong” <<

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No, you responded with scripture that describes what Yeshua offers, but does not discuss the processes by which we are to seek that offer.

Nowhere does Yeshua offer eternal life without confession, repentance, and faith unto obedience to the end.

“He who endures to the end, the same shall be saved”

That is what Yeshua has promised.

If you have any doubts on that, read John’s first epistle carefully.

“Whoever enters by me shall be saved” but entering by him means following his commandments for your entire life, without doubt, or wavering.
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