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My Church Loyalties
Christian Century ^ | 28 July 2014 | D. Stephen Long

Posted on 07/28/2014 3:10:13 PM PDT by The Grammarian

My church loyalties

Why I am not yet a Catholic Jul 28, 2014 by D. Stephen Long

In 2005, after Benedict XVI was elected pope, I wrote an essay for the Century titled “In need of a pope?” That essay cost me a job at a Protestant evangelical institution. A Catholic friend told me at the time that I should think of that result as a gracious preemptive strike.

Since then I have repeatedly been asked, “Why are you not Catholic?”

The main reason I am not (yet) Catholic and remain a Methodist and an ordained Methodist elder is that I do not know how to become Catholic without betraying the people who taught me to love God, pray, worship, desire the Eucharist, take delight in scripture, and so on. How can I leave the people I love?

I remember my pastor, Lloyd Willert, who tended to me when I had major surgery at the age of 19 and was in a body cast for three months. He visited me and prayed with me. When I went to seminary, his wife gave me books from his library. I still cherish them.

Then there was Cleveland Tennyson, a self-educated African-Caribbean Methodist preacher whom I worked with in Honduras for a year. His sermons brought me into the presence of God in such a way that I felt you had to take off your shoes when he preached because you were standing on holy ground.

Geraldine Ingram was the first Methodist preacher I worked with in an official capacity. Her celebration of the Eucharist was beautiful and inspiring. It made me see the incarnation in a new light.

Then there are numerous friends and family members who have asked me not to convert. How could I walk away from those who gather with me on Wednesday nights to be accountable in our discipleship, attend to Sunday’s lectionary Gospel lesson, and celebrate the Lord’s Supper together? Should I abandon them? It is not what I am against that keeps me Methodist; it is what I am for.

On two occasions over the past decade I decided to become Catholic and initiated the process, largely out of frustration with Protestant sentimentality. On both occasions I had to wait because I had also been asked to lead a retreat, preach or preside at a Methodist church, teach a Sunday school class, lecture to a Methodist audience, or otherwise work in a congregation. In Graham Greene’s novel The Power and the Glory, a less than admirable whiskey-loving priest becomes holy, and possibly a saint, simply because he had too much going on to leave Mexico after a revolution ousted the Catholic Church, even though he had begun to question most of the church’s teachings. I sometimes think I’m like a whiskey-loving Methodist preacher. I just never get around to leaving; I always have something to do for the Methodists, and I cannot figure out how to leave without betraying people I love.

Two things prompted that 2005 essay. First, I was moved that so many Protestant leaders felt compelled to attend John Paul II’s funeral. The papacy no longer seemed to be a decisive point of contention if so many Protestants wanted to be present at the funeral mass. Second, I was moved by Benedict XVI’s smile when he was presented to the world as pope. It hit me that Protestant efforts to create authority through texts, laws, and regulations lacked this humanity. So I thought out loud, without thinking of all the ramifications, about how Protestants might come to find a way to affirm the bishop of Rome and other aspects of Catholicism that once were thought to be nonnegotiable dividing lines.

How might Protestants reform Protestantism? I do not think Protestants can do so if their identity is bound up with “protest.” If all that holds them together as Protestants is what they are against, then they actually depend on what they supposedly oppose for their identity rather than on what they are for. The end result of that “protest” will be solipsism or nihilism.

Of course, many Protestant conversions to Catholicism are themselves protestant conversions. On one occasion when I was tempted to convert to Catholicism, I did so because I was angry at the silliness of activities like puppet-and-clown Eucharists. A friend and pastor asked me to wait one year to make sure that I was not converting because of what I was protesting against. Wouldn’t such a conversion be one more act of protest? It was good Ignatian counsel. I waited the year and then went through spiritual direction with a Jesuit to discern whether I should convert. He did not think I was ready.

How thorough is a Protestant conversion to Catholicism if the convert harbors an animus toward Protestantism that violates Roman Catholic teaching? In my 2005 essay I quoted the Catholic catechism to remind Protestants that the Roman Catholic Church does not consider Protestants to be heretics, apostates, or non-Christians: “I would not deny that Protestants already share to an extent in the Catholic unity. In fact, this is the official teaching of the Catholic Church itself. Its catechism states that ‘one cannot charge with the sin of separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers.’ Those of us who came to love God through these separated communions are correct to declare our faith in the ‘one, holy, catholic and apostolic church.’” So even on Catholic grounds, I am not considered as a Protestant to be protesting against the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church.

I am willing to concede, as Roman Catholicism states, that the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church “subsists” in it. That may be too much for many Protestants, but it is not for me. I am even willing to agree that whatever is found of faith in the “separated communions” has as its cause—in some mysterious sense—in the unity Catholicism has maintained. But I cannot conclude that by remaining Methodist I am protesting against the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church. In fact, it is my love for and faith in that church that keeps me Methodist.

The “counter” identities that began in the 16th century have damaged Christian witness and brought God’s judgment of secularity against us. But God has not seen fit simply to do away with Protestants or take the fruit and gifts of the Spirit from us, so it will not suffice simply for Protestants to cease to exist, which I fear seems to be some Catholic converts’ (perhaps Protestant?) solution. I am not a Methodist because I am in protest. I want to find a way forward without having to replay the countermeasures of the 16th century.

I do think the church stands in need of constant reform. This is not a Protestant-versus-Catholic position. In fact, Catholics have often been better at reform than Protestants, as Karl Barth acknowledged after Vatican II. So let me directly state what I do find troubling in Catholicism. None of this is so troubling that it would keep me from embracing Catholicism, because I know none of it identifies the whole or breadth of the Catholic faith; nor do I think that similar, if not deeper, problems cannot be found in Protestantism.

Nevertheless, I find the absence of women in leadership deeply problematic. I sometimes wish Catholic bishops would at least run some of their statements past their mothers or sisters before releasing them to the public. This would help to avoid public relations gaffes that make it look like the Catholic Church has a “war on women” (in fact, I don’t think Catholicism has any such intention).

I support women’s ordination. I don’t have any grand theory about it; I have simply seen it. I grew up with women preachers whose sermons bore the fruit of the Holy Spirit. They bring a unique perspective to the church that I think the church lacks if it denies them the exercise of their gifts. I think it matters that women were the first proclaimers of the resurrection and that the first person to make God present in his materiality was Jesus’ mother.

Second, I am concerned about abuses of authority and power that occur and have occurred in Roman Catholicism. Who could possibly deny this? Here, of course, I would find an ally in the Orthodox Church, which would question any easy Catholic answer as to where the true catholic church resides. I don’t think this problem has to do with the papacy per se or the primacy of the bishop of Rome. But I am concerned about habits of power that prompt Roman Catholic leadership toward secrecy or to use the instruments of government to impose a way of life that Catholic laypeople themselves refuse to adopt.

Let me give an example of the latter. I largely support, with some qualifications, the Affordable Care Act. Providing health care for everyone seems to me to be fulfilling a command Jesus gave to us to love our neighbor. I do not recognize abortion or contraception as having to do with health care. I want Catholic institutions to be allowed to opt out of any mandatory requirements. However, that Catholic (and Protestant) leaders have made this a question of persecution is dishonest. Many Catholic institutions were already providing contraceptive options for their employees prior to the Affordable Care Act—a fact that is widely known.

Rather than taking on the federal government, Catholic leadership (bishops, theologians, laity) would have been more truthful if they said to the Catholic people: Artificial contraception is a question of mortal sin. We refuse to admit to the Eucharist or receive money from any Catholic who violates this teaching. We will take the name “Catholic” away from every institution already involved in this practice.

It’s not that I think Catholic leaders should do this; it would be imprudent. I like the fact that Catholicism has an earthy paganism to it that can incorporate all kinds of messiness into its life. But if Catholic leaders are going to howl about persecution because they are asked to do something by the federal government that Catholic people are already doing, then their witness rings hollow. I worry about a Catholic defensiveness that finds persecution when its moral teachings are not honored or implemented by governmental power but looks the other way when Catholic laypeople do not abide by them.

Third, I struggle to affirm Catholic teaching on contraception. I served as a pastor in Honduras in a village with many Catholics and Methodists. A Catholic priest from Miami would fly in every other month, drive to the Catholic church in his Mercedes, unlock the church, hold mass, lock the building, and drive off. He was one of those priests who declared the “cafeteria was closed” when it came to matters of church teaching. I remember a poor Catholic women in her early thirties who gave birth to her tenth child on a dirt path on her way to the clinic my wife operated. She was faithful to the church, but there was no one there to attend to her, to help her with her poverty, or teach her natural family planning.

I also recall a conversation I once had with a young priest over dinner. He was going on and on about how everything in Western society declined once contraception was permitted. (I was thinking to myself: So contraception is the defining sin—not slavery, genocide, Jim Crow laws, total warfare, racism, patriarchy?) I finally confessed to him that I had been married for two decades, that I did not follow Catholic teaching, and that I didn’t think my marriage embodied any of the consequences he thought inevitable from failing to do so. He turned to me and said, “Your marriage lacks the fullness it could otherwise have.” I admit I was offended and wondered how he could make such a snap judgment without knowing me, my wife, or our biological realities.

I agree with Protestant ethicist Paul Ramsey that a marriage must be open to children or it is not a fulfillment of the Christian vocation to marriage. I teach this view when I do marital counseling. However, I do not think every act of sexual intercourse has to be open to the propagation of children. On this point I don’t think I differ that far from Catholic teaching. “Natural family planning” is itself a natural contraceptive practice that requires certain artificial instruments for its employment (thermometers, calendars, etc.). It is unclear to me that it bears a different intentionality from certain other forms of “artificial” contraception. So if this teaching is necessary for someone to be Catholic, I am not Catholic.

I would express one more concern I have about Catholic teaching. I address ethical issues from a christological perspective more than a natural one. Many Catholic colleagues tell me this is a Protestant position. I used to argue with them, but now I have come to accept their criticism. I often worry that Catholic theologians can say “nature” much more easily than they can say “Jesus,” and I think this is tied up with my three concerns noted above. Those concerns are not unique to Catholicism. Bad practice by Catholic priests does not invalidate all Catholicism any more than bad practice by Protestant ministers invalidates all of Protestantism.

Every good Protestant Christian must be willing to return to Rome for the sake of the unity of the church once the “Reformation” is over. The Reformation should always be understood as a temporary measure. Perhaps the time for reunion will come in my lifetime. In the meantime, those individuals who return to Rome prior to that day must not deepen the divide and therefore bear witness against that future reunion.

How Catholics receive Protestant converts (and vice versa) will have an effect on this effort. If converts are seen as booty in a cultural war, then they are not being faithfully received. One of my close friends, my son’s godmother, recently left the Methodists and became Catholic. I was surprised because she had feminist commitments—but she found a place in Catholicism where those commitments were honored. I am pleased she found a home and rejoice with her. A Catholic friend wrote to her and said, “Welcome home. Sorry we left the house in such a mess.”

On the day we are reconciled, I hope the Catholic Church will welcome us with this kind of humility.


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To: metmom
Only Catholics are so good at making assumptions about what other people mean with no basis whatsoever.

You realize that I'm not Catholic, right? (That's a pretty uncharitable remark, regardless.)

And you know what? People can be Christ followers in isolation. Indeed, many people are forced into it due to circumstances beyond their control.

Exceptions (that one can be a Christ-follower in isolation because of external forces) do not prove the rule ("'Holy solitaries' is a phrase no more consistent with the gospel than holy adulterers. The gospel of Christ knows no religion, but social; no holiness but social holiness," as John Wesley puts it).

A person does NOT need a church, a denomination, an organization, to follow Christ.

The Early Church Fathers disagree with you (see again Cyprian of Carthage, among others). For that matter, the Bible disagrees with you (Hebrews 10:25). Organizations naturally arise out of community, and the Church (=ekklesia, assembly of the called) is naturally a community of believers. That organization is there to regulate the shared life of the Christian community to the end that God is glorified.

A follower of Christ just needs the leading of the Holy Spirit who is the indwelling presence in the believer.

And how do you know the Holy Spirit is leading you?

A Christian is one who's one inwardly, not one outwardly based on being a card carrying member of XYZ church.

This is another false dichotomy. "Card carrying membership" may not be required, but deliberately isolating yourself from other Christians can and should call into question whether you are really a Christian inwardly.

If you are unwilling to live with your brothers and sisters in community in the context of a local church and its attendant connections to other church congregations (be that a denomination or a 'non-denominational' church's connections to other churches in the community), then you should reevaluate to what it is that Christ is calling you.

61 posted on 07/28/2014 9:02:18 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: cloudmountain
So WHICH one of the 30,000+ different Protestant denominations have the "true form of it" (Christian unity)? It can't be ALL of them as they are so very different from each other. Some? A few? 14 of them? How many?

The vast majority of Protestant denominations teach very similar doctrine on the 'essentials' of the faith. If you ask me which I think has the "true form of it," that is to say, the true form of the Mass and of Christian doctrine, I would point you toward my own church (surprised?) and also point you toward those denominations which, regardless of specific liturgical practices, hold similar core doctrines.

62 posted on 07/28/2014 9:13:44 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: metmom

“We are not under obligation to keep the Ten Commandments to be in right standing with God any more. That’s the old covenant.”

I am sincerely grateful that you wrote the above. I do not understand such. I was in a group discussion just week or so ago and that issue was brought up and still has me perplexed. One individual stated we are free to do anything and used 1 Corinthians 8 as the basis of such. The context is regarding food sacrificed to idols and in verse 9 we are warned to not be a stumbling block to those who are weak. So if we are no longer obligated to keep the 10 commandments, can an individual be an adulterous murderer so long as such is done in secrecy so as not to wound a weaker individuals conscience? I had thought Christ came to fulfill the law rather than abolish it.

Again, I ask in all sincerity, and apologize for further going off topic, but this concept baffles me, and perhaps you can shed some light on this for me. Thanks.


63 posted on 07/28/2014 9:24:26 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: The Grammarian
I reject the presented dichotomy as a false dichotomy born out of a hyper-individualistic soteriology that supposes that we can be Christ-followers in isolation from one another.

That's a helluva statement. But it makes my reply simple: I reject anyone's insistence on coming between me and God as satanic - by definition.

Glad we understand each other.

64 posted on 07/28/2014 10:52:08 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: The Grammarian
I don't care what the church fathers have to say. Their writings are opinion pieces on Scripture, which says nothing more than to not neglect the assembling of yourselves together.

It doesn't say you have to go to church every Sunday or you're sinning. It doesn't even say to attend church. It just says assembling together and doesn't specify how often and where.

And how do you know the Holy Spirit is leading you?

What's that got to do with church attendance?

People who go to churches are not necessarily more likely to know they're being led by the Holy Spirit and people who don't go to churches are not necessarily less likely to know the same.

If you can't tell if you're being led by the Holy Spirit and how to tell, them going to church isn't going to help any.

"Card carrying membership" may not be required, but deliberately isolating yourself from other Christians can and should call into question whether you are really a Christian inwardly.

Why?

And who said that those who are not going to church are "deliberately isolating" themselves from other Christians?

You do realize, don't you, that there are other venues for getting together with other believers?

What makes going to church so special that people can't afford to miss it? How does it prove you're a Christian?

So the Mafia hit man who goes to mass every Sunday has less reason to doubt he's a Christians simply because he goes to mass?

Is Christianity really all about going to church?

65 posted on 07/29/2014 1:37:16 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Carthego delenda est

We are justified by faith in Christ, not by keeping the law. The Law was put in charge to lead us to Christ (Galatians 3:24) that we might be justified by faith. It does not mean that one can sin with impunity. Anyone with that attitude is not saved. You can’t have the Holy Spirit within you and live like that.

Keeping the Law never saved anyone in the first place and there’s a WHOLE lot more than just the Teen Commandments. We CAN’T keep the Law because Jesus revealed that it’s more than just doing the externals, it’s a matter of the heart. So someone can keep all the laws and appear perfect and still sin in their hearts and not be saved.

What were the two commands that Jesus said were the greatest?

If we do those, we fulfill the law inwardly, and when we sin, we confess and are forgiven.

Christ came to fulfill the Law so that He could be the perfect sacrifice for our sins and that he could impute, or credit to our account, HIS righteousness, a righteousness that comes through faith.

When someone who is truly saved sins, God will discipline and they will be miserable from the sinning.

You do know that the more you try to not sin, the more you do, don’t you? I don’t see the point of trying to beat the flesh into submission because it can’t be done in human strength. The more we try, the more we fail.

If we focus on being Christlike, and like Him, going about doing good, we won’t have the time or inclination to sin, not for trying, but as the natural outworking of our faith.
I don’t worry about trying to keep the Ten Commandments because the Christian life is about more than the negatives.

Don’t forget, King David WAS an adulterous murderer, and yet God still called him a *man after my own heart*.


66 posted on 07/29/2014 1:52:00 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Carthego delenda est
“We are not under obligation to keep the Ten Commandments to be in right standing with God any more. That’s the old covenant.”

Also, It's not that keeping the Ten Commandments is a bad thing, but that's not how we are in right standing with God. We are in right standing with God because of being in Christ. There's a difference.

The Pharisees had the Law nailed down and Jesus called them hypocrites and white-washed tombs.

67 posted on 07/29/2014 1:55:18 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Talisker
But it makes my reply simple: I reject anyone's insistence on coming between me and God as satanic - by definition.

That was very succinct. And I agree.

Thank you.

68 posted on 07/29/2014 1:57:17 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
Teen Commandments

Good grief.

*** bangs head on desk***

Proof reading is my friend.

Proof reading is my friend.

Proof reading is my friend.

Proof reading is my friend.

69 posted on 07/29/2014 1:59:30 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Catholics don’t worship Mary. Why, do you?

brother, believe me I do not worship Mary. I am not a member of the Roman Catholic Church.

70 posted on 07/29/2014 5:14:20 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: Carthego delenda est; metmom
Again, I ask in all sincerity, and apologize for further going off topic, but this concept baffles me, and perhaps you can shed some light on this for me. Thanks.

It's funny that people can't seem to imagine NOT being bound by the law...If you're not bound by the law, you going to go rob and murder people because there's no consequence???

God doesn't leave us high and dry to figure it out for ourselves...

Paul answers that question in Romans 7...In his spirit he desires to do good...It's a constant battle with his sinful flesh (the old man)...

He can't seem to do what he wants to do and finds himself doing things he doesn't want to do...

71 posted on 07/29/2014 5:48:24 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: metmom

for words, thoughts and deeds

EXCOMMUNICATED...

metmom, you know exactly what that means

Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam


72 posted on 07/29/2014 5:48:44 AM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: ealgeone

“believe me I do not worship Mary. I am not a member of the Roman Catholic Church”

Then you belong to that group of folks who are not a part of the Catholic Church for any Catholic who ‘worships’ Mary is EXCOMMUNICATED latie sentia ie automatically and are thus no longer Catholic.

AMDG
For the Greater Glory of God


73 posted on 07/29/2014 5:52:30 AM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: Iscool; Carthego delenda est
It's funny that people can't seem to imagine NOT being bound by the law...If you're not bound by the law, you going to go rob and murder people because there's no consequence???

That's an interesting point as well. There is the thought, and out of SOME people (primarily many FRoman Catholics not meaning you, Cde.), the accusation, that if someone believes there is no consequence, they CAN sin at will and WILL sin with impunity.

It reveals what is in their hearts that they think others are going to do this. Some people don't have the inner control to do what they ought and need the outer restrictions to keep them in line.

It evidences not having a heart change, the new birth.

There is nothing in Scripture that says there will be no consequence to sinning. God disciplines those He loves, those who are His sons and daughters.

No good father would allow a child to continue in sin. The *if there's no law you can sin all you want* crowd just does not understand that.

When I quit worrying about obsessively keeping the law, I quit having most of the trouble I have living a life holy towards God. It seemed that the more I tried, the worse I failed. Sin, being what it was, became alive, and gave me all kinds of grief.

Christ has set us free to live FOR Him in a positive focus, not to live a life fighting sin, with a negative focus.

If all we do is focus on resisting sin, we are doing it in our own strength and taking our eyes off Christ.

If we keep Christ before us, we won't even be inclined to sin or the temptation will not be so overwhelming.

I know what God's commandments are, and I know that I can't keep them. But as I live my life in Christ and His power, I do, without trying, and when I fall, which will happen, He's there with forgiveness and grace.

74 posted on 07/29/2014 6:01:15 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Carthego delenda est; Iscool
So if we are no longer obligated to keep the 10 commandments, can an individual be an adulterous murderer so long as such is done in secrecy so as not to wound a weaker individuals conscience?

After reading through this later this morning, when I'm more awake, I see that I didn't respond to what you really asked. Sorry.

To answer that question, my conclusion is that anyone who thinks they can do that for that reason, is not a Christian.

The passage about wounding a weaker brother's conscience is not about SIN, moral wrongdoing. It's about things that are preferences, things that are what Paul calls *disputable matters*.

Sin is NOT a disputable matter.

I think a present day example would be drinking wine of beer. Some Christians are fine with it. Others are not.

If you know someone has a problem with Christians drinking, then doing it in their presence is not acting in love and thinking of the weaker brother, whose conscience is wounded by seeing you drink. Or maybe they are tempted beyond what they can control and will drink themselves and that could be a problem if they have a past where alcoholism is a factor in their past.

I hope that answers it better. I'm not a morning person and should know better than to try to post that early.

75 posted on 07/29/2014 6:09:29 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: LurkingSince'98
Then you belong to that group of folks who are not a part of the Catholic Church for any Catholic who ‘worships’ Mary is EXCOMMUNICATED latie sentia ie automatically and are thus no longer Catholic.

then i guess those excommunication lines are gonna be pretty busy.

76 posted on 07/29/2014 6:12:57 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: The Grammarian
The vast majority of Protestant denominations teach very similar doctrine on the 'essentials' of the faith. If you ask me which I think has the "true form of it," that is to say, the true form of the Mass and of Christian doctrine, I would point you toward my own church (surprised?) and also point you toward those denominations which, regardless of specific liturgical practices, hold similar core doctrines.

Thank you.

77 posted on 07/29/2014 6:38:46 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Legatus
You read further than I did. I stopped here:

How can I leave the people I love?

78 posted on 07/29/2014 10:54:25 AM PDT by piusv
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To: LurkingSince'98

Hey, they’re worshiping a the house of their Lord.


79 posted on 07/29/2014 12:06:10 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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