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To: ravenwolf
I happen to believe that Adam was a special creation, not in the creation on the sixth day but later on in Gen ch 2.

I see Genesis 1 as a broad overview, with Genesis 2 being a zoom-in to the specificity of the garden. compare:

Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

(e-Sword:KJV)

To cause the Gen 2 creation of Man to be distinct from Gen 1 creation of Man, one would (it seems) have to also make the creations of the beasts of the earth and fowl of the air in both places also distinct... Why the redundancy? That would seem to be inconsistent. It seems more likely that Gen 1 is 'scene 1', with Gen 2 being 'scene 2' - with a bit of retelling in order to set up the specificity of the Garden.

Therefore Adams off spring are referred to as the sons of God and the daughters of men are the daughters of the men and women created on day six, From this marriage came the Nephilim .

This is a rather unique spin on the 'Sethite' theory embraced by most churches... One which I must deny. Here are all the mentions of the 'Sons of God' within the OT:

Gen_6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Gen_6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job_1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job_2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job_38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

The 'Job' references seem to be referencing things outside the ken of Men, and the Gen 6:4 reference has the union of the Sons of God and the Daughters of Men producing giants... I would say the Sons of God are Angels - Fallen Ones. 'Nephilim' means 'Fallen Ones' or 'Sons of the Fallen'. Careful study will show you that these 'fallen ones' are the very same ones held in darkness and chains for their crimes. Those which will be let loose for a time in the end of days.

And it is very, very important to understand in our day because they will be let loose:

Dan_2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

WHO, exactly is 'they'? 'They' are distinct from men. I think this same scenario has happened multiple times. I think it explains fully the profane pantheon of gods, the Titans and Heroes of old (the offspring, giants, men of renown). And without this understanding, one cannot properly see why YHWH selectively ordered not only complete genocide (only some cities, not others) in the conquering of Canaan, but why those cities and their fields were burned to the ground, taking no spoil at all - YHWH was routing out an infection (Sons of Anak, giants). It is easy for us to forget the war that is ongoing. That war is between the Sons of God and the Fallen Ones... We are caught in the middle.

your idea that the dinosaurs were in Adams time but were destroyed by the flood is believable but how could so much oil be made in such a short time considering that only some of the dinosaurs would be turned into oil if fossil fuel was correct?

As I said before, I am not entirely enamored with the idea that oil is 'fossil' fuel. It replenishes. I do believe that coal beds are evidence - Great mats of trees, grasses, animals and etc destroyed in the flood, and eventually settling to be covered over and compressed... Whether the oil within coal is a product of those things, or leached into it later, is beyond me. And that would be the question.

I do not, however, mind the idea that the flood produced it (the oil, I mean)- you must think of the violence of it all, and how much stuff you'd have - every tree and bush on the whole planet uprooted... every single thing holding breath on the whole of the earth... Plants and animals... that is a HUGE amount of stuff... But be that as it may, I don't think we really have a clue about where 'fossil' fuel comes from....

61 posted on 08/13/2014 11:42:53 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1

I would say the Sons of God are Angels - Fallen Ones. ‘Nephilim’ means ‘Fallen Ones’ or ‘Sons of the Fallen’. Careful study will show you that these ‘fallen ones’ are the very same ones held in darkness and chains for their crimes. Those which will be let loose for a time in the end of days.


Mathew 22
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Obviously angels do not marry.

To cause the Gen 2 creation of Man to be distinct from Gen 1 creation of Man, one would (it seems) have to also make the creations of the beasts of the earth and fowl of the air in both places also distinct... Why the redundancy? That would seem to be inconsistent. It seems more likely that Gen 1 is ‘scene 1’, with Gen 2 being ‘scene 2’ - with a bit of retelling in order to set up the specificity of the Garden.


I do not see it that way at all, in Gen 1 god did the planting.

Genesis 2
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

In Gen 2 verse one Gods work was finished and he rested on the seventh day.

Obviously the planting had been finished in gen 1 but why was there no man to till the ground if every thing had grown to fulfillment.

It is also possible that Genesis 2 could be telling it in a different way but either way I do not see that it happened in six of our days or even years but more like thousands or tens of thousands of years.


62 posted on 08/13/2014 2:44:30 PM PDT by ravenwolf (s)
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