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To: Partisan Gunslinger
"It's what the founding fathers spoke of, when they spoke of the papists, and the papist's opposition to liberty."

Including the several Founding Fathers who were, you know, Catholic? And George Washington, the very cream of the crop of the Fathers, who decried the burning of effigies of the pope, who penned this letter to the Catholics of America? Obviously, the colonies were infected with rank, foul anti-Catholicism, and many of the colonists, some Fathers included, wanted to keep it that way. Thankfully Catholics achieved the liberty of worship they earned and merited (particularly through service in the Continental Navy), despite the bigotry of some segments of the population. And I do hope you appreciate the irony of citing certain founders in declaring Catholics enemies of liberty, when many of these self-same men wanted to curtail the liberty of Catholics, in the name of...What, liberty?

42 posted on 08/14/2014 6:28:45 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Including the several Founding Fathers who were, you know, Catholic? And George Washington, the very cream of the crop of the Fathers, who decried the burning of effigies of the pope, who penned this letter to the Catholics of America?

Lay Catholics are among God's people, and God says "Come out of her" to his people.

Obviously, the colonies were infected with rank, foul anti-Catholicism, and many of the colonists, some Fathers included, wanted to keep it that way. Thankfully Catholics achieved the liberty of worship they earned and merited (particularly through service in the Continental Navy), despite the bigotry of some segments of the population. And I do hope you appreciate the irony of citing certain founders in declaring Catholics enemies of liberty, when many of these self-same men wanted to curtail the liberty of Catholics, in the name of...What, liberty?

To be a Catholic you must put your trust in a man other than Jesus to represent God. That is the same thing liberals do, they put their trust in governments, celebrities, etc, to be as God rather than God Himself. Also to be a Catholic, you must be against individualism. Catholics reject the protestant belief of each individual having a relationship to God. Catholics say each person needs to be subject to the Catholic Church or to the pope or to Mary to let those entities be the mediator to God. Catholics reject individual opinion. I know as a protestant that there is no one on earth that believes the same as I on every subject of Christianity. There are some Christians that I share beliefs with that I will agree with 99% of the time. Imagine if that same were true of politics, that everyone must be in full agreement all the time or there will be punishment. That's why some of us see Catholicism as opposed to liberty, we should have the liberty to disagree, whether it be the nature of Christianity, or the nature of politics. There will be enough of us to agree on enough aspects of government and Christianity to have good government and a good relationship with God to be blessed, respectively. But apply the ways of Catholicism to our government and freedom is lost.

50 posted on 08/15/2014 5:30:18 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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