Millennial Series: Part 9: Amillennial Eschatology

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[CynicalBear]

>≥The rabbinical curse is where “Jesus” came from.<<

"And though shalt call His name Jesus".

>>Christ is the title of the Sun God.<<

Acts 24:24 And after certain days, when Felix came with his wife Drusilla, which was a Jewess, he sent for Paul, and heard him concerning the faith in Christ.

Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

[redleghunter]

Then please explain your thoughts on why as revealed to John we have the first resurrection happening after the wedding feast and second coming. The elect had to get to Yeshua’s marshalling area for the wedding feast somehow. By your posts you establish the first resurrection=rapture after the last trump. Revelation shows different. It clearly states the first resurrection occurs after the second coming at the beginning of the millennial Kingdom.

This is not parenthetical misunderstanding on my part. Chapters 19-22 follow chronologically.

Without breathing in theological approaches this is what we have:

The elect, the bride of Messiah with Him at the wedding feast; location heaven. The elect get there somehow and we know this to be the translation or rapture.

Messiah comes with His bride at second coming. Nations defeated Satan bound and then the first resurrection and judgment then millennial Kingdom.

So accordingly to how these events are revealed to John the rapture is not the first resurrection.

[editor-surveyor]

Those of Verse 4 of chapter 20 are the bride of Yeshua, and were given their new bodies way back at the last trump.

Chapter 20 is in an overview covering from the last trump to the beginning of the New Heaven/New Earth. It contains both resurrections. the overview contains all the final chapters without the details given of the same events in earlier chapters.

[CynicalBear]

Wow! And you accuse others of not knowing scripture. Rood has really diluded those who follow his teaching.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “Then please explain your thoughts on why as revealed to John we have the first resurrection happening after the wedding feast and second coming” <<

I have no idea where you get that.

Its laid out plainly in the Revelation that the first resurrection must come before the wedding supper, or the supper would have no one present. The gathering for the wedding feast is on the “sea of fire and glass” immediately after the first resurrection “at the last trump”. The elect “get there” by Yeshua and his angels gathering them from the four corners of the Earth and taking them up in the cloud. This is simultaneous with the beginning of the pouring out of the bowls of wrath on Earth. Then after the wedding we return to earth with Yeshua.

You are not grasping that chapters 20-22 are a broad general overview from beginning to end (last trump to new Heaven/new Earth) The start of chapter 20 jumps way back into earlier chapters .

[editor-surveyor]

Why have you no shame?

Offer something of substance rather than snide growlings and I’ll try to show you the word.
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[CynicalBear]

>>and I’ll try to show you the word.<<

No thanks. You and the Catholics can work on earning your sal action. I've been saved by the shed blood of Christ.

[editor-surveyor]

According to God’s word, nobody has been saved yet.

Only those that endure to the end will be saved. Those are the words of Yeshua.

[boatbums]

Of course he is God. If you had read your Bible you would know too. What was the imagined question?

If you had read your Bible, then you would know that the Holy Spirit is also God. Jesus Christ is the Son of God/God the Son, Almighty God incarnate, and the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “and the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity.” <<

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And it says that in...

Oh! My! Trinity is not in God’s word.

Nowhere does the word of God discuss the Holy Spirit as a third person.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

“How then do you handle Revelation 20. It specifically outlines a 1,000 year reign of Christ after the second coming”

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I don’t see your conclusion in the Chapter. Where do you find the “1,000 year reign” is AFTER the second coming?

All Scripture is true, therefore Revelation must be read to harmonize with Matthew 24, 2 Peter 3:10 and 1 Corinthians 15:23-24, which are very clear. When Jesus returns, IT IS THE END OF THE WORLD.

I would point out for those who disagree that Satan was bound at the cross, Revelation 20:7-8 is entirely consistent with 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7 “what is restraining him now” and being loosed when the 1,000 years when ended. this is another proof that the 1,000 years is symbolic, not literal and was in effect when Paul wrote 2 Thessalonians.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

I am constantly amazed that anyone who throws a lot of Hebrew words around and reads the OT as if the NT was never written, can develop a following. especially when Jesus specifically warned us in the latter days, false teachers would arise and fool many.

Rood’s unique teaching is not the Apostolic Faith and has no basis in the history of the Church.

Anyone who is at all remotely familiar with the NT and Apostolic Tradition can dismiss Rood immediately as a false teacher. ( no matter how many Hebrew words he may know )

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

I am the only one in this conversation that has not denied Christ by denying his words

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do those words include John 8:58? “truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM”

[editor-surveyor]

An article that I found that sheds some light on the resurrection/rapture:

http://www.truegospel.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/library.sr/CT/PW/k/428/Caught-Up-in-Rapture.htm

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[editor-surveyor]

Yes, our God is not bound by the limitations of his own creation.

Time is a creation of our God

[roamer_1]

Jesus specifically warned us in the latter days, false teachers would arise and fool many.

Indeed.

Both Paul and John said they were living in the latter days, and the spirit of antichrist was operating even in their day - So no religion, including yours, stands without (outside of) that definition.

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

Nowhere does the word of God discuss the Holy Spirit as a third person

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Acts 5:3 why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit.....

Acts 5:4 you have not lied to men but to God.

I guess Rood has never read these verses since they are in the NT. The Holy Spirit is a person ( you can’t lie to a force or power ) and He is God.

but the Trinity is a pagan Catholic invention by Constantine, do I have my “roodism” right?

[editor-surveyor]

All of the false teachers avoid the ancient scriptures like the plague.

There is nothing presented in the NT that was not first presented in the ancient scriptures.

Paul preaches this fact in Hebrews 3 and 4.

Heb.3

[1] Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
[2] Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
[3] For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
[4] For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
[5] And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
[6] But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
[7] Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
[8] Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
[9] When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
[10] Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
[11] So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
[12] Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
[13] But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
[14] For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
[15] While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
[16] For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
[17] But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
[18] And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
[19] So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Heb.4

[1] Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2] For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3] For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4] For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
[5] And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
[6] Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7] Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[10] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11] Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
[12] For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
[13] Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
[14] Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
[15] For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
[16] Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

[editor-surveyor]

Show me where it says “third person” or reasonable facsimile thereof.
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[one Lord one faith one baptism]

Show me where it says “third person” or reasonable facsimile thereof

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John 14:16-17 “ and I will pray the Father, and he will give you ANOTHER counselor, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom THE WORLD cannot receive, because it neither sees HIM nor knows HIM, you know HIM for HE dwells with you and will be in you.

sounds pretty personal. note “the world” receive Him, so anyone who doesn’t believe in the personhood of the Holy Spirit is still in the world and not the kingdom. ( rood, call your office )

since Rood rejects the Trinity as pagan, does He believe there are two Gods or does he teach the Father is God and Jesus is a created being? hard to pin him down on this.