Posted on 08/17/2014 10:21:22 AM PDT by wmfights
Never mind: here I go again!!
"WHEW!", says Mary!
And ALSO 'believe' the Right Stuff about communion; too!
Try this instead:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3193827/posts?page=453#453
And I never indicated a pre-trib rapture. See link above for the detailed order of events to come.
Which goes back to the trust and faith comment of mine earlier.
You’re still refusing to accept a unified Bible.
All of the writings about this have to fit together, but you are throwing out Yeshua’s and Paul’s statements, all of which are in perfect agreement, to stuff things in a different order than they told us.
Also the appointed times are in control, and must be fulfilled in the exact number of days/months stated in the Revelation. The number of days between Trumpets, Atonement,and Tabernacles never vary, never have, never will. Purim plus 1335 days to Trumpets plus 10 days to Atonement plus 5 days to Trumpets, takes us to chapter 16, verse 18, the earthquake.
Then begins a parenthetical parallel time period as seen from Earth from chapter 17:1 through chapter 18:24 describing the bowls as experienced from their point of view.
After that we are with him, reigning on Earth. A recap of all events begins thereafter, without details or any particular coherance, but generally in order, as John runs through the events he has just revealed, quickly in his own mind. That recap is chapter 19 through 22.
This all fits the rest of the word, without curious lumps or gaps.
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LOL!
>> “Now then; post the description of the second.” <<
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Woe unto those that were not part of the first resurrection!
Lots of ‘splainin to do, to no avail.
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It is you that are trying to deflect the entirety of Yeshua’s words.
He says there are no done deals, and so do all of his apostles. They all plainly state that we must endure to the end, and also that many will fail to endure.
You deflect God’s word using your favorite crutch: Attack his chief 21st century minister.
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Yet what you call a ‘recap’ starting in Revelation 19 has the second coming before the ‘first resurrection.’ All there and no gaps.
Wedding Feast
Second Coming
Satan bound
First Resurrection
Satan loosed
Satan thrown into Lake of Fire
Great White Throne Judgment
That is why you have to read it all to understand.
The wedding feast would be empty of ‘guests’ without the first resurrection, that brings all of the guests up.
Read the detailed description first, and then the recap won’t bother you.
P.S.
The details begin in the ancient scriptures!
Do you understand what “because of their unbellief” means?
I just showed you some of many passages that show that to be a false statement.
>>You deflect God’s word using your favorite crutch: Attack his chief 21st century minister.<<
Only if Satan is you god
And I pointed out that it was because of their unbelief. Unbelief after having been shown the truth before their eyes were blinded. So even those people saw the original truth which was the point of the discussion. The contention was, and is,that the truth has been hidden for centuries.
>> “I just showed you some of many passages that show that to be a false statement” <<
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No, you did not!
You showed passages that you either do not understand, or you hoped that I didn’t understand.
For every one of those passages that you misinterpret, there are at least 10 places where it is plainly stated that we must endure to the end.
>> “ The contention was, and is,that the truth has been hidden for centuries.” <<
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No, that was just your agitprop.
Yeshua’s own do not have the difficulties that you live with.
Nah, there are 3 parts to the first Resurrection...The firstfruits; the harvest and then the gleanings...And somewhere in there is the Rapture...ALL before the 2nd coming of Jesus...And long before the 2nd Resurrection...
For every one of those passages that you misinterpret, there are at least 10 places where it is plainly stated that we must endure to the end.
Sorry Charlie...No misinterpretation at all...
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
There's no way to wrongly interpret that verse or the scores of verses like it...It says what it means and means what it says...It is dishonest to claim the verse(s) means something else...
So what do you do with the opposing verses??? You guys throw one out in favor of the other...You'll never understand the scriptures until you can reconcile ALL of the scriptures...
you have given a detailed explanation of what you feel Revelation 19-22 teach and I have read it, as I do all the posts people direct to me. ( not hard, there usually aren’t that many, lol )
it is very easy to disprove that the second coming happens before Satan is bound for a 1,000 years and that is by Revelation 20:9 “ and they marched up over the broad earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city”
this verse tells us there are still Christians on the earth, the saints and beloved city can only mean the remnant Church. and if there are still Christians on the earth, the second coming can not have happened yet.
there are too many other verses that are absolutely clear, no interpretation needed, when Jesus Christ appears at his second coming, it is THE END.
Matthew 24 - the disciples ask, what will be the sign of your coming AND THE CLOSE OF THE AGE? Jesus explains the great falling away, the rise of false teachers, the wickedness, sacrilege and great tribulation which will occur. v29 says IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light, heaven and earth will be shaken because it is the DAY OF THE LORD, THE LAST DAY, JUDGEMENT DAY. it will be a day like any other, people will be going about their business marrying, working and playing and then suddenly like a thief in the night, it will all be over. this tells us there will not be some great physical battle or war going on, the war is spiritual and it will appear the devil’s side is winning. there is no 1,000 year reign mentioned in Matthew 24.
1 Corinthians 15:23-24 “ then at his coming, those who belong to Christ. THEN COMES THE END.....
V25 “for he MUST REIGN.... “ note the present tense, He is reigning when Paul penned these words. v24 could not be clearer, when Jesus comes again, then comes the end.
matches PERFECTLY with Matthew 24.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-8 Jesus will destroy the lawless one by his appearing and his coming. ( notice all the verses only describe one day of the Lord, one coming. )
2 Peter 3:10 but the day of the Lord will come like a thief AND THEN the heavens will pass away......
AND THEN. all the verses are consistent, when Jesus comes again in glory, the show is over.
right now, the OT and NT elect are reigning with Christ and will accompany Him when He returns again.
the marriage supper of the Lamb occurs throughout the 1,000 year period ( from the cross to the 2nd coming ) and it is participated in and by all members of the Body of Christ, whether on earth or in heaven by worshipping the Lamb.
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