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Lovers Of Ecumenicide Pretend Muslims Worship Our God - They DON'T!
Restore DC Catholicism ^ | 8/19/2014

Posted on 08/19/2014 7:33:43 PM PDT by markomalley

There is a great deal of confusion in the Church today as to whether or not Muslims worship the same God as do we. In fact many prelates, including our own Cardinal McCarrick, either are honestly confused about the matter or they exploit general confusion so that they may appear to be "ecumenical". Indeed, nine years ago at Catholic University His Eminence addressed some Muslim dignitaries; in that address he invoked "allah" three times but he gave not one mention to Jesus Christ. That address, which can be called de facto idolatry, is here.

Cardinal McCarrick and other devotees of ecumenicide often cite Lumen Gentium and the Catechism as their authorities. They are misreading those church documents. A few weeks ago Dr. Taylor Marshall posted an article that addressed this question. I link to it now; it's worth careful study. He points out that the Church documents state that the Muslims profess to worship the God of Abraham, and profess to hold faith in Him.

It's one thing to profess to worship God. It can be quite another to worship God in fact. Here's an example of this occurrence. We've all heard Nancy Pelosi's protestations of being a "good faithful Catholic". This is the same Pelosi who went on a rampage when her bishop upheld traditional marriage. This is the same Pelosi who was honored at Planned Parenthood's gala in March and said that" to be associated with the great Margaret Sanger is a distinct privilege" (she may well "enjoy that privilege" for all eternity if she doesn't repent, but I digress). She also believes Hamas to be a "humanitarian organization". So Pelosi may think she's a great Catholic, but reality indicates otherwise. Similarly, Muslims think they worship the God of Abraham but their actions indicate otherwise. The more vociferous Muslims state that we don't worship the same deity (more than we can say for Cardinal McCarrick); they just don't accept that they are the ones worshiping a false idol - if not actual demons.

Below is a video of Muslim jihadists burying alive opponents. This action (among so many others) is evidence that these monsters do NOT worship the One True God. Parents - you may wish to keep your small children from seeing this.


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To: metmom

The FRoman Catholic interpretation of their own teaching is so funny.


41 posted on 08/21/2014 8:07:15 AM PDT by Gamecock (Not responsible for errors resulting from posting via my "smart" phone.)
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To: Legatus; metmom; daniel1212; Gamecock
....I agree the catechism is a disaster....

If the Catechism isn't the single best, most concise expression of required Catholic doctrine, what else is out there that takes its place?

42 posted on 08/21/2014 8:17:55 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: markomalley

Islam is an amalgamation of Christianity, Judaism, and Zoroastrianism. The Koran plagiarizes the Holy books of those religions. It is a relatively new religion, less than 2,000 years old. How anyone can think we share a god is beyond me. The fact that Islam is monotheistic is proof enough to me that their god is not one and the same as ours.


43 posted on 08/21/2014 8:23:30 AM PDT by CityCenter (Resist Obamacare!)
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To: Alex Murphy
If the Catechism isn't the single best, most concise expression of required Catholic doctrine, what else is out there that takes its place?

Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer, although it's a VERY good question.

44 posted on 08/21/2014 8:37:01 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Alex Murphy; metmom; daniel1212; Gamecock
If the Catechism isn't the single best, most concise expression of required Catholic doctrine, what else is out there that takes its place?

Just about any pre-VatII catechism is far more concise. As I've written before, there's a reason the CCC is known as the Cataclysm of the Catholic Church. There are some beautiful passages hidden among the general incoherency and excess verbiage, but as a teaching tool I won't let my children be exposed to the CCC. It reads like it was written by a UN subcommittee for the most part.

For English readers I recommend and still use the Baltimore Catechism. I understand what you're saying though, people should be able to trust the CCC... that they can't is an unfortunate and confusing paradox. I file it under "smoke of satan, etc."

45 posted on 08/21/2014 8:38:48 AM PDT by Legatus (Either way, we're screwed.)
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To: piusv
Pope Francis stated in Clementine 3-20-2013... to the Ecumenical Audiance he was before:

....”I then greet and cordially thank you all ‘DEAR FRIENDS’ belonging to other religious traditions....”FIRST of all to the Muslims, who worship the one God. living and merciful, and call upon him in prayer...I really appreciate your presence. In it I see a tangible ‘sign’ of the will to grow in mutual esteem and co-operation for the common good of humanity”.

Pope Francis should know, (but doesn't acknowledge), that Allah of the Koran is NOT the same God as the God of the Bible. Francis is all about ‘social theology’ which ties in with the UN/Globalist Agenda for the Muslim inclusion into the NWO.

Francis sees the RCC as the spearhead in bringing about representation of all the most prominent religions of the world under it's authority......which that representative leadership will be who supports and holds up the anti-Christ and makes him acceptable to the religious community of that time.

46 posted on 08/21/2014 9:15:10 AM PDT by caww
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To: Legatus

That is true.


47 posted on 08/21/2014 9:18:56 AM PDT by piusv
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To: metmom; Legatus
JPII's catechism does make that point confusing. It's based on the Vatican II document "Lumen Gentium". This is the section it comes from:

Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind....

You'll notice it speaks of the Jews first, then the Muslims. The wording is awful for sure. Par for the course.

48 posted on 08/21/2014 9:26:46 AM PDT by piusv
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To: metmom
....”Instead of going by the *interpretation* offered by the church to excuse what is said, maybe the someone just ought to take a good hard look at what is really being said”.......

There is nowhere in the catechism where a catholic is responsible to do any defense of the magisterium..only to blindly accept it's teachings as true. The defense of the magisterium appears to be directed to those of Priests and other's in position and leadership. Therefore what they say and how they defend must be acceptable to the people.

49 posted on 08/21/2014 9:31:11 AM PDT by caww
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To: metmom
....”Instead of going by the *interpretation* offered by the church to excuse what is said, maybe the someone just ought to take a good hard look at what is really being said”.......

There is nowhere in the catechism where a catholic is responsible to do any defense of the magisterium..only to blindly accept it's teachings as true. The defense of the magisterium appears to be directed to those of Priests and other's in position and leadership. Therefore what they say and how they defend must be acceptable to the people.

50 posted on 08/21/2014 9:31:11 AM PDT by caww
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To: left that other site

The entire International Society is well primed to “follow” in mass leadership which ‘appears’ to favor whatever trend is front and center.

For Ferguson it’s surely a race issue regardless of how people are framing it...it STILL comes down to the blacks seeing themselves as victims and the inability to handle their own communities peoples who continue to commit crimes they believe they are entitled to commit.

Ideology trumps truth and law......and it’s all about perceptions rather than truth.


51 posted on 08/21/2014 9:53:56 AM PDT by caww
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To: left that other site

The entire International Society is well primed to “follow” in mass leadership which ‘appears’ to favor whatever trend is front and center.

For Ferguson it’s surely a race issue regardless of how people are framing it...it STILL comes down to the blacks seeing themselves as victims and the inability to handle their own communities peoples who continue to commit crimes they believe they are entitled to commit.

Ideology trumps truth and law......and it’s all about perceptions rather than truth.


52 posted on 08/21/2014 9:53:56 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

“I am seeking the truth”...Buddha
“What is Truth?”...Pilate
“I AM the truth”...Jesus


53 posted on 08/21/2014 10:07:07 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: left that other site

Too many believe themselves to be seeking the truth when in fact they have left the truth they once knew to be so and are seeking something else to “tickle their ears”.


54 posted on 08/21/2014 10:18:09 AM PDT by caww
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To: left that other site

Too many believe themselves to be seeking the truth when in fact they have left the truth they once knew to be so and are seeking something else to “tickle their ears”.


55 posted on 08/21/2014 10:18:09 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Yes. I think the expression “I am still searching for the truth” can be a cop-out for facing reality, in more subjects than just faith.


56 posted on 08/21/2014 10:28:25 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: left that other site

Once an individual turns away from the faith they have known well to be the truth and in whom truth is....you can, with certainty, know the enemy of men’s souls will be quick and active to fill the vacancy.....and will spare nothing to entrap them.

So many who have done so end up ‘many’ years still seeking...some 13 others 30 only to return and see all the wasted years SPENT on a lie.


57 posted on 08/21/2014 11:44:06 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Yes. The enemy is always prowling around like a hungry lion.


58 posted on 08/21/2014 12:00:25 PM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: metmom
...the Jews who DO worship the same God, the God of the OT

Sorry, metmom. Scripture is very clear. The God of the OT is the same God of the NT. To deny the Son is to deny the Father. Jews do not worship the same God. The Trinity cannot be divided.
59 posted on 08/21/2014 7:40:53 PM PDT by armydoc
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To: armydoc

Now that opens up another whole can of worms.....


60 posted on 08/21/2014 9:19:12 PM PDT by piusv
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