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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; CTrent1564; Elsie
I confused Anglican with Lutheran (because of the "an").

Too close in some ways anyway.

Both, as in, transubstantiation? This is an easy mistake to make because the Catholics constantly misquote him, or refuse to quote the entire things.

I have not looked into it much, but in any case while the RC may invoke Scripture and or history and tradition, as if that was the basis for their assurance of Truth, this cannot be, else they be as evangelicals in being discerning Truth on the weight of evidence, Scripture being supreme.

Instead, their basis for assurance of Truth rests upon the premise of the assured infallibility of Rome, who has presumed to infallibly declare she is and will be perpetually infallible whenever she speaks in accordance with her infallibly defined (scope and subject-based) formula, which renders her declaration that she is infallible, to be infallible, as well as all else she accordingly declares.

Thus as have been abundantly evidenced, only what Rome, as the steward of Divine revelation, says Scripture, history and tradition assuredly mean is determinative of Truth for the RC. As if that is how the church began.

And until they allow that the magisterium can be wrong even in principal matters, yet Truth preserved by God raising up men from without it, and be persuaded by the weight of Scriptural substantiation, then they both invalidate the church itself and operate under a cultic system.

372 posted on 08/27/2014 8:38:53 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
Scripture being supreme.

Indeed it is, as the scripture itself teaches, and as embraced by the Church Fathers as well:

Cyril of Jerusalem on Sola Scriptura:

Not even his own teachings, if it cannot be shown out of the holy scriptures, should be accepted:

“Have thou ever in your mind this seal, which for the present has been lightly touched in my discourse, by way of summary, but shall be stated, should the Lord permit, to the best of my power with the proof from the Scriptures. For concerning the divine and holy mysteries of the Faith, not even a casual statement must be delivered without the Holy Scriptures; nor must we be drawn aside by mere plausibility and artifices of speech. Even to me, who tell you these things, give not absolute credence, unless thou receive the proof of the things which I announce from the Divine Scriptures. For this salvation which we believe depends not on ingenious reasoning , but on demonstration of the Holy Scriptures.” (Cyril of Jerusalem, Cat. Lecture 4, Ch. 17)

374 posted on 08/27/2014 9:06:57 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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