roamer_1:
We are spinning wheels here. I mean I have laid out the case that the Catholic Church uses Father/Pope{Papa} in the context of “spiritual fatherhood” and “patriarchal fatherhood”, both supported by the NT text and Church Fathers [See article linked earlier from newadvent] and article from ccel linking Saint Augustine’s article to Pope Caelistine where he calls him Father and refers to Boniface as Pope. In that same letter, he refers to other Catholic Bishops as Bishop. So clear reading of the text suggests 1) Saint Augustine saw the Church at Rome and its Bishop [the Pope] as having a unique and special role in helping the Church maintain unity and communion and that he saw the Pope as a “spiritual father” just as the Church at Corinth viewed Saint Paul as one and the Churches that John was writing to in 1 John viewed him.
Again, we are going to have to disagree on how the father can be applied with respect to clergy and pastors, etc.
I do not see what you do in the NT text, and would suggest to you that your position causes the words of Yeshua to be made of no real effect... Did anyone ever answer metmom as to what y'all think he did mean?
[...] and Church Fathers [See article linked earlier from newadvent] and article from ccel linking Saint Augustines article to Pope Caelistine where he calls him Father and refers to Boniface as Pope. In that same letter, he refers to other Catholic Bishops as Bishop. So clear reading of the text suggests 1) Saint Augustine saw the Church at Rome and its Bishop [the Pope] as having a unique and special role in helping the Church maintain unity and communion and that he saw the Pope as a spiritual father just as the Church at Corinth viewed Saint Paul as one and the Churches that John was writing to in 1 John viewed him.
Again, I hold your fathers to be of no effect, them being proven fraught with inclusion and forgery - If you would point me to extant texts prior to 250BCE, I would consider them... But you won't. Because you can't.
So yes, we will have to disagree. Have a good evening, and thanks for the amiable chat.