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To: af_vet_1981
By your logic, the Founding Fathers believed in something akin to Sharia Law. Such a statement is imminently foolish.

Legislation against Sodomites is a Judeo-Christian value, values which our nation was founded upon (and was confirmed by the Supreme Court in one of its more reasonable decisions, the decision of Holy Trinity v. United States (1892)). It would be one thing if only a small subset of historical Christendom advocated for such legislation, but that's simply not the case. The Bible and the majority of Christendom has long advocated for capital punishment against Sodomites; the recent Christian trend against doing so is due to rejection of Christian values in favor of libertine values.

The rejection of Christian norms (i.e. rejection of classroom prayer, the establishment of the Lemon Test, the so-called "sexual revolution", etc.) is directly responsible for and directly coincides with the rise of the entitlement mentality and the empowerment of regulators in the 1960s. If we allow secularism and its values (i.e. sodomy) to flourish, society shall surely collapse.

The parable you cite does not apply to the moral law so clearly laid out in the OT (of course, the NT rendered the civil law and ceremonial law moot, and the parable Christ gives seems to reference this). Sodomy clearly falls under the same category as the 10 commandments. If we simply take the parable at face value without considering the rest of Scripture, we would be forced to do away with pedophilia laws as well.

30 posted on 08/24/2014 4:35:23 PM PDT by Objective Scrutator (All liberals are criminals, and all criminals are liberals)
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To: Objective Scrutator

What the Father of our country thought of sodomites. But I guess the Kenyan clown knows better.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/george-washington-drummed-out-soldier-infamous-crime-attempted-sodomy

Back in 1778, at Valley Forge, however, Gen. George Washington approved the dismissal of a soldier for “attempting to commit sodomy,” with “abhorrence and detestation of such infamous crimes,” according to Washington’s papers at the Library of Congress.

Washington (1732-1799) was the leader of the Continental Army in America’s revolutionary war against Britain and served as the first president of the United States and thus as its first “Commander in Chief” of the armed forces and the militia, as stipulated in the Constitution. Valley Forge, in eastern Pennsylvania, was the site for the Continental Army’s military camp during the winter of 1777-78.

On Mar. 10, 1778, at Valley Forge, Gen. George Washington approved the dismissal from service of Lt. Frederick Gotthold Enslin for “attempting to commit sodomy” with another soldier.

In the first president’s papers at the Library of Congress is a series of orders with the title, “Head Quarters, V. Forge, Saturday, March 14, 1778.” It includes the following entry,

“At a General Court Martial whereof Colo. Tupper was President (10th March 1778) Lieutt. [Frederick Gotthold] Enslin of Colo. Malcom’s Regiment tried for attempting to commit sodomy, with John Monhort a soldier; Secondly, For Perjury in swearing to false Accounts, found guilty of the charges exhibited against him, being breaches of 5th. Article 18th. Section of the Articles of War and do sentence him to be dismiss’d the service with Infamy.

“His Excellency the Commander in Chief [George Washington] approves the sentence and with Abhorrence and Detestation of such Infamous Crimes orders Lieutt. Enslin to be drummed out of Camp tomorrow morning by all the Drummers and Fifers in the Army never to return; The Drummers and Fifers to attend on the Grand Parade at Guard mounting for that Purpose.”

Enslin’s dismissal came less than two weeks after another soldier, Ensign Anthony Maxwell, was acquitted of the charge of “propagating a scandalous report prejudicial to the character of Lieutt. Enslin” on Feb. 27, 1778, according to the transcription of the court martial dated Mar. 3, 1778.

The document reads: “At a Brigade Court Martial whereof Colo. Burr was President (Feby. 27th. 1778,) Ensign Maxwell20 of Colo. Malcom’s Regiment tried for propagating a scandalous report prejudicial to the character of Lieutt. Enslin.21 The Court after maturely deliberating upon the Evidence produced could not find that Ensign Maxwell had published any report prejudicial to the Character of Lieutt. Enslin further than the strict line of his duty required and do therefore acquit him of the Charge.”

“His Excellency the Commander in Chief approves the aforegoing sentences and orders Ensign Maxwell to be discharged from his Arrest …” the transcription states.

The two following notes are also provide in the document at the Library of Congress.


32 posted on 08/24/2014 4:56:56 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Objective Scrutator
By your logic, the Founding Fathers went against Scripture in rebelling against the British government, primarily because they objected to the taxation policies of said authority.

Are you willing to advocate capital punishment for everyone who commits any sexual sin, such as looking at pornography ?

37 posted on 08/24/2014 8:03:47 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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