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In the Religion forum, on a thread titled Bishop Schneider Says Traditional Catholics Are Not “Extremest”, But Rather The Hope For The Future, BlackElk wrote:
Goodness, a fanboy/girl of dead, excommunicated Marcel favorably quoting Pope Francis!

Pssst, BlackElk - speaking ill of the dead is bad form.

And - Nota Bene the alleged “excommunication” which was never a juridical act, was acknowledged by the Vatican as either never in force, or lifted. And in an ambiguous, modern way.

But then, you knew that before you posted your nasty comments about the dead, right?


182 posted on 09/09/2014 7:23:13 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: narses
"Traditional Catholics" Are not 'Extremist'..." Well, of course TRADITIONAL Catholics are not extremist. Of course, there is absolutely NOTHING traditional about defying and disobeying legitimate papal authority.

"Speaking ill of the dead is bad form." Really??? Then, like SSPX bishop Richard Williamson, we should refrain from criticizing all those now dead Nazis whom Williamson tries to protect by claiming they killed "only" 200,000 to 300,000 Jews. Likewise, we should refrain from criticism of Josef Stalin (nee Djugashvili), Karl Marx, Mao Tse Tung, Margaret Sanger, Lothrop Stoddard, dead excommunicated Marcel and others of their ilk. Bad form, don't you know??? No, I don't know and, if websites like Free Republic are going to survive, we ought not to accept such a standard because we will have little to freely discuss.

Nota Bene: Unless you have some papal act or ruling by Saint John Paul II, Benedict XVI or Francis, "the Vatican" has had no authority to reverse the papal judgment of Saint John Paul II imposed upon Marcel LeFebvre, Bernard Fellay, Richard Williamson, Bernard Tisserant de Malerais and Alfonso de Gallarata on July 2, 1988, in his Ecclesia Dei. Also signing off on associated orders and paperwork as directed by Saint John Paul II were then Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, then Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and Bernardin Cardinal Gantin, then Prefect of the Congregation for Bishops. The same penalties were later applied to Antonio Castro de Mayer who assisted at the illicit consecrations at Econe. Excommunication was imposed latae sententiae on each miscreant by operation of Canon Law (no "juridical" process necessary or customary) for disobedience to direct papal orders and additionally, excommunication latae sententiae of each miscreant was also imposed by operation of Canon Law for a schismatic act. The second category of excommunication for schism remains in force, according to Gerhard Cardinal Muller who stated that fact late last year.

The foregoing is the short story. Dead excommunicated Marcel was in grave difficulty at least as early as 1976 when he tangled with Paul VI. Clue: If your first name is "Pope" and your reign lasts longer than John Paul I, then you can count on the love slaves of dead etc. Marcel to tangle with you and come up with utterly ridiculous arguments as to what they CLAIM happened when they are 180 degrees wrong on the facts.

As often as there are people her who insist on falsely (whether they realize it or not) CLAIMING that the likes of dead excommunicated Marcel and his hallucinatory followers are somehow "Traditional Catholics" it will be my privilege to say otherwise.

You do a lot of good here with most things you post. You should know better than to post the nonsense to which I am replying.

183 posted on 09/09/2014 9:49:13 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Roast 'em Danno!)
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