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To: GoSpiritGo
The popularity of the megachurches is because they preach the "Good News" without giving them the "bad news". We are forgiven who have truly confessed our sins to Christ, asked the Holy Spirit to live in us and seek to live according to Scripture.

I sorta wish that, once this was done, that there would never again be the temptation to sin or to fall back into sin but all Christians do to one degree or another. We are still fallen man, even after we've received Christ as Savior, though we are to be dead to its desires.

What it boils down to is two concepts:

Do you believe in "once saved, always saved"? Paul says in Romans we are sealed in the Holy Spirit and that God is mightier than the world so a Believer is always saved*.

*The exception is the "unpardonable sin" which is explained as "grieving the Holy Spirit". Many see that as committing suicide but we never get a further clarification.

The other concept is whether you believe in predestination. I believe God has so crafted our environment that both free will and predestination exist - that man has a free will to choose salvation but that God ultimately calls those He chooses to be saved.

In short, many who pretend to be Christians will be rejected by Christ and many who chosen, saved and then fell back into sin (at least for a time) are still saved. Christ knows His sheep and His sheep hear His voice. Like sheep we stray from the fold, at times, but Our Lord does not reject us. Rather He comes for us to lead us back according to His timing.

As for the practicing homosexual, I would predict that some are saved Christians but they will be the ones who recognize it as sin and wrestle with the urge. The ones marching in parades and demanding homosexual marriage are probably not these people.

So Osteen is correct but incorrect. God does love us all, including homosexuals, and wishes all to be saved. But clearly not everyone will be saved and it is Christ who will do the choosing, not Joel Osteen.

To consider rebuking the apostles, though, would seem to misunderstand the role of the Holy Spirit in the writing of Scripture and once people decide that they can discard certain parts of the Scripture, they deny its inerrancy and once you deny that, what have you left to stand on?

21 posted on 09/05/2014 8:06:58 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Every time you say no to a liberal, you make the Baby Barack cry.)
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To: OrangeHoof

i once read that some thought the unpardonable sin might include grieving the Holy Spirit in the sense that a believer attribute an action by The Lord as being from the enemy or of evil intent. Hope not - i am guilty of that myself. Perhaps it means turning your back on Him, breaking his heart. I hope I haven’t done that. Though Scripture does seem to say that once saved, always saved otherwise. The Lord is extremely patient and forgiving - He is indeed a true friend who shows true love to us.


26 posted on 09/05/2014 8:31:14 AM PDT by Colehill1999 (Obama - he has become death, destroyer of the world.)
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To: OrangeHoof

Good observations.


51 posted on 09/05/2014 10:08:46 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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