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Pope Francis, "If Mary is not your Mother, you are an orphan!"
Charisma News ^ | 9/5/2014 | Jennifer LeClaire

Posted on 09/11/2014 11:19:06 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski

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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
Is Christ alone sufficient or in a “co-redemtix” in the form of Mary necessary? None of you seem willing to answer this.

Actually that question was originally put to you since you condemned me to destruction earlier in this thread because you personally disagreed with my views. Apparently my faith in Christ wasn't sufficient to overcome your condemnation.

Why is my faith in Christ not sufficient to save me from destruction and eternal damnation in your eyes?

1,301 posted on 09/24/2014 5:50:31 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: JPX2011

You mean your hatred of Protestants?


1,302 posted on 09/24/2014 5:50:54 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: verga; CynicalBear; mlizzy

Mlizzy remember only empty religions have empty crosses.


The cross and the tomb are empty. He’s seated at the Right Hand of THE FATHER.

There’s no mention John’s vision of the throne room of any female deity being in close proximity to Jesus or the throne.

So where is your “blessed queen?” If she is Heaven’s matriarch why didn’t John mention her when he recorded his glimpse of the future?

Pagan religions demand goddess worship.


1,303 posted on 09/24/2014 5:51:50 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: aimee5291

Me? It’s the Catholic Church that says they incorporate paganism. BTW when you mention someone a ping to that person.


1,304 posted on 09/24/2014 5:52:15 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: JPX2011

Why is my faith in Christ not sufficient to save me from destruction and eternal damnation in your eyes?


You don’t place your faith in Christ alone. Why do you insist on worshipping a “co-redemtrix?” Isn’t Christ alone sufficient?


1,305 posted on 09/24/2014 5:53:20 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: JPX2011
>>They are so focused on externalities because they really have no faith in the power of Christ.<<

You mean like Catholics need Mary to tell Jesus what to do?

1,306 posted on 09/24/2014 5:56:08 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
You don’t place your faith in Christ alone. Why do you insist on worshipping a “co-redemtrix?” Isn’t Christ alone sufficient?

I believe Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior. So are you now telling me that those eights words are not sufficient for my eternal salvation? That all of a sudden there are "degrees" of faith and external and artificial requirements such as adding the word "alone" at the end of it are required. All of a suddent my faith in Christ is not sufficient?

1,307 posted on 09/24/2014 5:58:24 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: narses

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”


1,308 posted on 09/24/2014 6:01:38 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: JPX2011

Catholic practice of incorporating paganism is a violation of God’s commands.

We walk by faith and not by sight and we worship in spirit and in truth.

It’s a shame that some people’s faith is so weak that they have to have stuff to see and touch and taste and eat to feel like they’re close to God.


1,309 posted on 09/24/2014 6:02:58 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

YHWH says to be satisfied when he admonishes you - for only the orphan on the street doesn’t get punished. So that I have been taken to the woodshed a time or two belies the title of your OP.

I am no orphan.


1,310 posted on 09/24/2014 6:03:08 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse; metmom

I got the fractal one! You haven’t done good until you get the fractal.


1,311 posted on 09/24/2014 6:04:44 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: JPX2011
I believe Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior. So are you now telling me that those eights words are not sufficient for my eternal salvation? That all of a sudden there are “degrees” of faith and external and artificial requirements such as adding the word “alone” at the end of it are required. All of a suddent my faith in Christ is not sufficient?

Have you placed your faith in Christ alone or do you need another being to intercede for you? Consider your answer carefully...

The bottom line is -

Is Jesus alone sufficient?

If the answer is yes than the next logical question is -

Do you avail to any being outside Jesus for your salvation or redemption?

1,312 posted on 09/24/2014 6:05:14 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: CynicalBear; Rides_A_Red_Horse; metmom; narses

I got the fractal one! You haven’t done good until you get the fractal.


I want a bear on a unicycle. Is that really too much to ask for?


1,313 posted on 09/24/2014 6:07:43 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: JPX2011; MamaB
>>which makes us a religion that is centered on Christ.<<

That makes it a religion based on a cracker surrounded by a pagan sunburst.

1,314 posted on 09/24/2014 6:07:57 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

Cut-n-paste excerpts are not the whole story. As you have been shown again and again.

The Church and non-Christians

839 “Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways.”325

The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,326 “the first to hear the Word of God.”327 The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God’s revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews “belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ”,328 “for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable.”329

840 And when one considers the future, God’s People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”330

842 The Church’s bond with non-Christian religions is in the first place the common origin and end of the human race:


1,316 posted on 09/24/2014 6:08:46 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: CynicalBear
That makes it a religion based on a cracker surrounded by a pagan sunburst.

As you see it. Good luck with your interpretation.

Jesus: I make all things new.

1,317 posted on 09/24/2014 6:12:09 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: JPX2011; metmom
>>And Christ does not have the power to "de-paganize" these things and use them for His own purposes?<<

Deuteronomy 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou inquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. 31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God:

1,318 posted on 09/24/2014 6:15:04 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: JPX2011; MamaB; metmom
I don't hate protestants. In the normal course of events I feel incredibly sorry for them. They're ignorant and for the most part I can deal with that.

That really must tax your patience.

Go make a pilgrimage somewhere and kiss a dessicated skull. Then place a crown of flowers on a cold, dead, stone idol.

You'll “feel” better.

1,319 posted on 09/24/2014 6:17:53 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: CynicalBear; JPX2011; metmom; narses

Deuteronomy 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou inquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. 31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God:


Shouldn’t this earn the “yopios” picture? I’m still waiting form my bear on a unicycle!


1,320 posted on 09/24/2014 6:19:28 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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