[Kansas58]

I have been predicting this for a long time.

The formal annulment process is often corrupt and unfair.

The “internal forum” SHOULD have the support of the Pope. There are circumstances such as alcoholism, drug abuse, mental illness and the like, where a formal annulment process only serves to “stir the pot” with unstable people involved. It can cause turmoil and abuse and even death.

There are some self righteous jerks on these Freeper threads who have argued these points with me before. It is my sincere hope that the Pope soon puts the falsely pious in their places!

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

It would take a powerful lot of arguing for Comrade Fran to put me “in my place.”

[Unknowing]

I agree with you.

It is my understanding regarding Cann. 1055-1165, an invalid marriage is null ab initio. The formal annulment process merely provides a canonical certification of such nullity.

So if a previous marriage is null ab initio, why must, in every case, a lack of certification thereto impede the valid marriage covenant?

[Mrs. Don-o]

"The formal annulment process is often corrupt and unfair."

That kind of generalization doesn't sit well with me. It's the kind of careless jibe that would come easily to mouth if you thought annulments are too easy to get, or too hard; that there are too many, or too few; that most people know to scam the system, or that it's so arcane nobody knows how to navigate it.

In other words, it's a charge than can be "proven" in some people's eyes by any one-off impression or anecdote, no matter how casual, and cannot be DIS-proven by any actual fact or collection of facts, no matter how weighty.

I could accept "the annulment process can be frustrating," or "baffling" or "emotionally difficult". The dozen or so I've seen up close as an RCIA leader trying to prepare divorced/remarried people for reception of the Sacraments, have been all that.

--- but I can't accept "corrupt and unfair." Unless you can adduce sufficient evidence. I do listen to evidence.

[Salvation]

he formal annulment process says that the marriage was not valid in the first place.

My daughter married a fellow whom she met, then eloped, and after 10 years of no children, he came to her saying, “I never wanted to be married and never wanted children.”

This was getting married for the wrong reason and was not a valid marriage. (They did have their marriage con-validated in a Catholic Church.)

It is called a “lack of form” annulment.

[cloudmountain]

There are some self righteous jerks on these Freeper threads who have argued these points with me before. It is my sincere hope that the Pope soon puts the falsely pious in their places!

1. "self righteous jerks"??? HERE? Lol. Noooooooooooooo.

2. The Pope won't put the falsely pious in their places. Our good Lord will do that.