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To: Mrs. Don-o
"If she had a child and the child's natural father wasn't married to her, isn't married to her, was married to her but isn't any more, and/or won't marry her..."

I'll let you play a little guessing game with yourself and decide which of these allow for the person in question to marry and which don't.

Now, per the social teaching of the Catholic Church the ideal situation is for children to be legitimately born into a family, and I assume you realize that extra-marital sex is a grave sin. It is most assuredly a sticky situation for someone to get knocked up by one person, and then go marry another. Thats not to say that such a situation cannot come about legitimately, but it is an irregular, discouragable situation. For Francis to make a big show pf specifically requesting to publically marry people in such in situation, especially without vocally reminding the faithful to conscientiously avoid getting themselves into such circumstances, is yet another instance in his long history of showing his contempt for the way things have been done and ought to be done. He cannot be ignorant of the message it sends for him to ostentatiously marry people in such an irregular situation (and put beach balls on altars, and declare "who am I to judge, etc). Its the message he wants to sent.

78 posted on 09/14/2014 6:10:02 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Here is Pope Francis' homily to the couples and congregation (remember that it is based on this Sunday's readings for the Feast of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross. The first reading was about Moses' making a bronze seraph serpent and putting it on a pole to cure people of their snakebite; after they'd been bitten as a punishment for their sins):

"Today’s first reading speaks to us of the people’s journey through the desert. We can imagine them as they walked, led by Moses; they were families: fathers, mothers, sons and daughters, grandparents, men and women of all ages, accompanied by many children and the elderly who struggled to make the journey. This people reminds us of the Church as she makes her way across the desert of the contemporary world, reminds us of the People of God composed, for the most part, of families.

" This makes us think of families, our families, walking along the paths of life with all their day to day experiences. It is impossible to quantify the strength and depth of humanity contained in a family: mutual help, educational support, relationships developing as family members mature, the sharing of joys and difficulties. Families are the first place in which we are formed as persons and, at the same time, the "bricks" for the building up of society.

" Let us return to the biblical story. At a certain point, "the people became impatient on the way" (Num 21:4). They are tired, water supplies are low and all they have for food is manna, which, although plentiful and sent by God, seems far too meagre in a time of crisis. And so they complain and protest against God and against Moses: "Why did you make us leave?..." (cf. Num. 21:5). They are tempted to turn back and abandon the journey.

" Here our thoughts turn to married couples who "become impatient on the way", the way of conjugal and family life. The hardship of the journey causes them to experience interior weariness; they lose the flavor of matrimony and they cease to draw water from the well of the Sacrament. Daily life becomes burdensome, and often, even "nauseating".

" During such moments of disorientation – the Bible says – poisonous serpents come and bite the people, and many die. This causes the people to repent and to turn to Moses for forgiveness, asking him to beseech the Lord so that he will cast out the snakes. Moses prays to the Lord, and the Lord offers a remedy: a bronze serpent set on a pole; whoever looks at it will be saved from the deadly poison of the vipers.

" What is the meaning of this symbol? God does not destroy the serpents, but rather offers an "antidote": by means of the bronze serpent fashioned by Moses, God transmits his healing strength, namely his mercy, which is more potent than the Tempter’s poison.

"As we have heard in the Gospel, Jesus identifies himself with this symbol: out of love the Father "has given" his only begotten Son so that men and women might have eternal life (cf. Jn 3:13-17). Such immense love of the Father spurs the Son to become man, to become a servant and to die for us upon a cross. Out of such love, the Father raises up his son, giving him dominion over the entire universe. This is expressed by Saint Paul in his hymn in the Letter to the Philippians (cf. 2:6-11). Whoever entrusts himself to Jesus crucified receives the mercy of God and finds healing from the deadly poison of sin.

"The cure which God offers the people applies also, in a particular way, to spouses who "have become impatient on the way" and who succumb to the dangerous temptation of discouragement, infidelity, weakness, abandonment… To them too, God the Father gives his Son Jesus, not to condemn them, but to save them: if they entrust themselves to him, he will bring them healing by the merciful love which pours forth from the Cross, with the strength of his grace that renews and sets married couples and families once again on the right path.

" The love of Christ, which has blessed and sanctified the union of husband and wife, is able to sustain their love and to renew it when, humanly speaking, it becomes lost, wounded or worn out. The love of Christ can restore to spouses the joy of journeying together. This is what marriage is all about: man and woman walking together, wherein the husband helps his wife to become ever more a woman, and wherein the woman has the task of helping her husband to become ever more a man.

" This is the task that you both share. "I love you, and for this love I help you to become ever more a woman"; "I love you, and for this love I help you to become ever more a man". Here we see the reciprocity of differences. The path is not always a smooth one, free of disagreements, otherwise it would not be human. It is a demanding journey, at times difficult, and at times turbulent, but such is life! Within this theology which the word of God offers us concerning the people on a journey, spouses on a journey, I would like to give you some advice. It is normal for husband and wife to argue: it’s normal. It always happens. But my advice is this: never let the day end without having first made peace. Never! A small gesture is sufficient. Thus the journey may continue. Marriage is a symbol of life, real life: it is not "fiction"! It is the Sacrament of the love of Christ and the Church, a love which finds its proof and guarantee in the Cross. My desire for you is that you have a good journey, a fruitful one, growing in love. I wish you happiness. There will be crosses! But the Lord is always there to help us move forward. May the Lord bless you!" * * * He is encouraging them to repent and seek healing as did the Hebrew people in the desert. He is directing them to the Cross of Christ for this healing.

I can't fault him for that.

85 posted on 09/14/2014 6:37:00 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Faith with love is the faith of Christians. Without love, it is th faith of demons. - Bede the Ven)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
For Francis to make a big show pf specifically requesting to publically marry people in such in situation, especially without vocally reminding the faithful to conscientiously avoid getting themselves into such circumstances, is yet another instance in his long history of showing his contempt for the way things have been done and ought to be done. He cannot be ignorant of the message it sends for him to ostentatiously marry people in such an irregular situation (and put beach balls on altars, and declare "who am I to judge, etc). Its the message he wants to sent.

Of course.

"The PR genius who helped make the Pope popular: Francis's marketing mastermind, an ex US journalist who belongs to Opus Dei"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2511151/Pope-Francis-PR-genius-Greg-Burke-ex-journalist-belongs-Opus-Dei.html

87 posted on 09/14/2014 7:02:21 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
"If she had a child and the child's natural father wasn't married to her, isn't married to her, was married to her but isn't any more, and/or won't marry her..."
I'll let you play a little guessing game with yourself and decide which of these allow for the person in question to marry and which don't.
"

OK, thanks, but it won't involve guessing.

In all of the above scenarios, if the woman now wishes to marry a man who is eligible (he is of the male sex, he is not castrated or permanently impotent, he is not already married to someone else, he has not taken a vow not to marry, he has the appropriate intentions for the Sacrament of Matrimony, he is mentally competent, he is not within prohibited degrees of kinship, and he is willing) --- there being no canonical impediments on either side--- , and they are in a state of grace, having confessed and repented their past sins, then they are good to go, marriage-wise, and they have a right to marry because they have a right to the sacraments for which they are eligible.

One thing that sadly prevents a lot of people from marrying as they ought, is that they had a messed-up period in their lives (typically late teens and early 20's) in which they made bad choices,committed serious sins, and now feel they are shut out from God and the Church for the rest of their lives.

The Pope is saying,"No, you're not ruined forever. In Christ there is merciful forgiveness of sins, and you can have a new and redeemed life --- even a good married life --- because of Him."

"Its the message he wants to send."
It is prudence and justice, as well as charity, to impute the best motives. It's the sin of Rash Judgment --- and/or its allied sins Slander and Detraction --- to impute the worst motives. There's way too much of that around here.

96 posted on 09/15/2014 4:42:01 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Faith with love is the faith of Christians. Without love, it is th faith of demons. - Bede the Ven)
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