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To: Cronos
Didn't say what?

That Mary was a fourth part of the Trinity, thus there be a second trinitarian theology?

If that was what you are referring to, then you are indeed correct.

Bergoglio did not say those words...and the question as seen at the heading of the article topping this thread as found at the more original source FWIW Is Pope Francis Preparing To Declare The ‘Virgin’ Mary To Be 4th Part Of The Trinity? is both provocative and I would say at this point, to be answered in the negative (if we are thinking he would do so any time soon, at the very least).

Yet why would anyone in their right mind do such a thing when having "Mary" in effect, conceptually function much like an adjunct to the Holy Spirit, but as "mommy" presently?

Why change anything...like be upfront of how the change to the concept began long ago?

Denying that to be true, while holding out for both the more original Trinity being still valid (and no one can quite reach the second person of the Trinity except through their offices of "priesthood", or if so just barely) while there is this side-door sort of access to heavenly & "spiritual" things through "Mary" also at the same time which let's them have things both ways --- or would it be better said, theologically all ways, whatever can be gotten away with (and if caught in the act deny-deny-deny until the cows come home).

They've got a good gig going on with it, as it is.

The writer was being provocative as a way to draw attention to how the RCC, in the person of Bergoglio as front-man, is presently milking it for all it's worth, though he of course is not the first to do so...

Not every Catholic considers her in that way, but some do, seeing her as co-mediator co-redemtrix and far more (the label/titles for "Mary" go on for days, one could scarcely read them all lest they go blind)

Got milk? and Jesus is still just a baby.

Everyone else is "the grown ups" ever notice that? Or when He is adult, then most often in torment.

The JW's make Jesus out to be always smiling. Surrounded by young and old, all circled 'round listening to Him gently speak.

To the Temple Mormons (who know and abide by all the "secrets" Joseph Smith "restored"(!)) Jesus has a spirit brother named Lucifer. Or is it Satan? I forget. Oh, but God the Father was once a man too, just as we are, but through being righteous enough, "doing all he could do" was exalted. And became God. Uhm, er, a God, but they have Jesus as their savior too (since the last world war or so) and as they would like to tell you -- are the only people on the planet with "the Holy Spirit" since every other "church" is reprobate. But getting back to becoming a god --- Mormons (if they do all they can do) get to do the same thing,just like the one some call God did, after he got to become a God by his own righteousness (and clean living). We were all spirit children birthed long ago and far, far away...sent here to earth to do all we can do so we too can then be exalted and continue on (procreating) with our families in heavenly realms, as Gods in our own right (our own planets too [maybe?] -- just think about it!)

Somebody please tell me ---what happened to Christianity?

NKJV

22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks[a] foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.


360 posted on 09/19/2014 2:44:16 AM PDT by BlueDragon (the gospel is so simple that neither the wayfaring stranger or the fool shall err theirin)
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To: BlueDragon
Not every Catholic considers her in that way, but some do, seeing her as co-mediator co-redemtrix

Catholics are confused by these titles, as well as most non-Catholics.

The meaning of the prefix is along the lines of cooperator, as in the fact that she cooperated perfectly with God's plan, never refusing Him, beginning with her yes to being "overshadowed" by the Holy Spirit, as recorded in Scripture. In this sense, she is called co-redemptrix and co-mediatrix, since her cooperation with the Holy Spirit brought our Redeemer, and Mediator of all grace, into the world.

Since the title causes so much confusion, popes have been reluctant to add it to her formal titles.

363 posted on 09/19/2014 3:18:30 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: BlueDragon
Not every Catholic considers her in that way, but some do, seeing her as co-mediator co-redemtrix and far more (the label/titles for "Mary" go on for days, one could scarcely read them all lest they go blind)

It actually goes beyond *some* Catholics seeing her as co-medatrix and co-redemptrix.

It's in their catechism; the official, binding on Catholics to believe or risk their salvation, document.

Right here:

From the Catechism of the Catholic church....

http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a9p6.htm

969 “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”510

Names of God from the Bible. Compare them to the names given to Mary in the above prayer.

Jesus

Hope (our) - 1 Timothy 1:1

Counselor - Isaiah 9:6

Advocate - 1 John 2:1

Mediator - 1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 9:15, Hebrews 12:24

Holy Spirit

Comforter - John 14:26

Helper – John 14:16

417 posted on 09/19/2014 6:21:12 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: BlueDragon
This is the Jesus true believers worship, the risen and glorified One.

Revelation 1:12-16 Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest. The hairs of his head were white, like white wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters. In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength.

418 posted on 09/19/2014 6:23:49 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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