THE ASSUMPTION OF MARY: Condemned as Heretical by 2 Popes in the 5th and 6th Centuries

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[mlizzy]

Jesus has been referred to as a doorman. That should not bother you.

[Heart-Rest]

"Mindreading again? "

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No, not mindreading.    Bible reading.

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"You will know them by their fruits."    Matthew 7:20

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[mlizzy]

Thank you! I’ve tried everything on that list but eating the fresh pineapple and the nasal spray. I’ll give them a shot. Interesting (and wonderful) they helped you. And, yes, I have had help with holistic means. Drinking [more] purified water and staying away from coffee has helped the most. Melissa essential oil has helped too, but there’s a big price tag on that. Thanks again!

[RegulatorCountry]

Pineapple contains bromelain, which is a natural anti-inflammatory. It can be found in supplement form, for convenience and greater control over dosage. You’d have to eat a fair amount of pineapple or drink a fair amount of juice to get to a dose regarded as therapeutic.

[Heart-Rest]

Elsie post 1062:"Mary is dead."

Elsie post 1073:"They're all DEAD; Jim! "

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And after six days Jesus took with him Peter and James and John his brother, and led them up a high mountain apart.    And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his garments became white as light.    And behold, there appeared to them Moses and Elijah, talking with him.    Matthew 17:1-3

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"And as for the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was said to you by God, 'I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? :  He is not God of the dead, but of the living."    Matthew 22:31-32



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"And as for the dead being raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God said to him, 'I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'?    He is not God of the dead, but of the living; you are quite wrong."   Mark 12:26-27



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"But that the dead are raised, even Moses showed, in the passage about the bush, where he calls the Lord the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.  :  Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living; for all live to him."   Luke 20:37- 38

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Elsie:   "They're all dead."

Jesus:  "No, they are all alive to God."

[metmom]

Believers are to watch for a sign involving stars? Please explain the difference between this and Astrology.

Genesis 1:14-19 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day.

Matthew 2:1-2 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the east came to Jerusalem, saying, “Where is he who has been born king of the Jews? For we saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”

[metmom]

The entirety of this post starts off with the assumption that Sola Scriptura is true. I have seen no reason to believe that it is.

And there's no reason to believe that it isn't. Nor is there any reason to believe that sacred tradition is true.

[mlizzy]

Okay, thank you. Our son works in the health food/supplement industry; I’ll ask him to fetch me some... :) Thanks again!

[metmom]

Maybe Mary is the *mother* of Catholics.

But for Christians, we have that verse from Galatians.

[Heart-Rest]

"Sin is properly defined as "missing the mark". theist analogy is that of a bullseye target., with the center bullseye representing the perfect Will of God. Anything outside that bullseye is sin, "missing the mark". It's not about "right" or "wrong", and certainly doesn't come in degrees or categories. "

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Did you miss this Bible text?

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If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal.    There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that.    All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.

1 John 5:16- 17

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[caww]

....”Jesus has been referred to as a doorman. That should not bother you”....

Of course it does...but those are ‘YOUR’ words not mine..here:

post# 1,186....

Quote:.....”My husband chose the location, which is perfect,... Jesus, “OUR DOORMAN”

[CynicalBear]

>>But for Christians, we have that verse from Galatians.<<

We don't need to trust some guys who can only be defended with comments like "it doesn't say it didn't happen".

[CynicalBear]

He done got reduced to a graven image and doorman in their home.

[caww]

Keep it simple....

there is no sin that is so sinful Jesus’s forgiveness is not avaiable.

Ephesians 1:7.......In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with ‘the riches of God’s grace’.

1 John 1:9..........If we confess our sins, ‘he is faithful and just and will forgive’ us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

However the ‘consequences’ of sin can vary......which God in His love for us may let our sin play out for a time so that we won’t return to it......Of course the ultimate sin is rejecting Jesus Christ,.and we know what those consequences will mean.

[Heart-Rest]

"Keep it simple.... there is no sin that is so sinful Jesus’s forgiveness is not avaiable. Ephesians 1:7.......In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with ‘the riches of God’s grace’. 1 John 1:9..........If we confess our sins, ‘he is faithful and just and will forgive’ us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. However the ‘consequences’ of sin can vary......which God in His love for us may let our sin play out for a time so that we won’t return to it......Of course the ultimate sin is rejecting Jesus Christ,.and we know what those consequences will mean. "

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In my post which you are responding to here, did you read the post I was responding to?

(You really have to read things in context, in order to be able to understand what they mean.)

[caww]

Yep....I do think though that people who have so much need for all these idols/statues around them...as well A paintings and trinkets of all kinds.....might be using these to “feel” safe and connected to God because without them they don't.

[caww]

Yes I read prior...but my response stands. There are no level of sins....we all are on level ground before Christ.

It is written: If you sin in one of the least of these commands you are guilty of them all.

But there are ‘degrees of consequences’ for sins we continue in while we are here on earth.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “If you read the entirety of what I wrote (which I have copied below), you will see I came to the conclusion that the woman is NOT Israel.” <<

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Yes, the woman is Israel.

You have to accept that the person Mary is of no significance whatsoever. She will not be crowned Queen, because there is no queen.

All reference to a “Queen of Heaven” is the pagan myth of Semiramis/Ishtar/Easter, because that was what Constantine strove to put in place of Yeshua. You can read about this in the prophets if you are interested.

Every time that Mary and her children are mentioned in the Gospels, Yeshua goes out of his way to show that they are of no more importance to him than any of his followers are. This is something that you cannot deny.

What Revelation 12 speaks about is completely genetic Israel, and nothing else. The 144000 are the symbol of the remnant of Israel that remained true to his commandments.

In the gospel of Matthew, Yeshua makes it clear that he came to save the portion of Israel that were dispersed through the world, and out of covenant, and really nobody else, but then in the same passage makes it clear that he will be saving others that join Israel.

The entire Bible is about Yeshua and his people (Israel).

Nothing in the Bible is about Mary. Even the part that mentions her, is about her son, not her. She is mother only to those children to whom she gave birth. Her virginity was important only WRT Yeshua, and it is made clear that after his birth, she and Joseph had other children by the normal biological process. The gospel says clearly that Joseph “knew” her, a direct reference to sexual intercourse. This was put in the gospel specifically to establish that she did not remain a virgin.

There is way too much scripture establishing these facts for anyone to even attempt to refute them.

Everything that is presented in the NT had already been presented in the ancient scriptures. That is why almost every time Yeshua said anything, he preceded it with “it is written.”

He did not come to bring anything new. Even his sinless blood was previously prophesied. Even his remarriage to the House of Israel, the “mystery” Paul mentioned in Romans 7, was prophesied in Hosea.

[daniel1212]

I've seen this explained different ways, but regardless, the Catholic Church proclaimed the dogma of the Immaculate Conception in 1854, and on February 11, 1858, Bernadette Soubirous, had her first (of 18) visions at Lourdes:

Well then that settles it, "the mere fact that the Church teaches the doctrine of the Assumption as definitely true is a guarantee that it is true.” — Karl Keating, Catholicism and Fundamentalism (San Francisco: Ignatius, 1988), p. 275.

Which premise of assured veracity with its presuppositions is fundamentally contrary to how the church began.

Next we have another lady with a vision, but we also have the incredible story of "Sister Magdalena of the Cross -The devil's saint for 40 years" with her demonic heavenly visions: http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2011/12/sister-magdalena-of-cross-nun-who-made.html

Which is as much a fable as it is an example of the demonic visions in Catholicism.

Considering that the only people who prayed anyone else in Heaven but the Lord are pagans,

and that the only Queen of Heaven in Scripture is that of pagans,

and that the only ones bowing does before idols and making requests are idolators,

and that the only one shows having the power to hear virtually infinite incessant prayers addressed to them in Heaven from earth is the Lord,

and that we are admonished not to think of men above that which is written, (1Cor. 4:6)

and as Scripture does not testify to the plethora of platitudes ascribed to her, of which are those only given to God,

then we must conclude the Mary of Catholicism is not that the holy women of Scripture, and the devotion to her is much of the flesh, and likewise the visions of her, or from the devil, who seeks to bring souls to worship instruments of grace as God, who alone is exalted as Caths do to their Mary.

As said, in Bible times one could not explain kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, and as having Divine powers and glory, and making offerings and beseeching such for Heavenly help, directly accessed by mental prayer!

Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?

As even St. Epiphanius is quoted by Haydoc as saying, while Haydoc violates it, "it is no less criminal to vilify the holy Virgin, than to glorify her above measure."

[Heart-Rest]

"Yes I read prior...but my response stands. There are no level of sins....we all are on level ground before Christ. It is written: If you sin in one of the least of these commands you are guilty of them all. But there are ‘degrees of consequences’ for sins we continue in while we are here on earth."

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So you don't believe that Bible text caww?

And, just to make sure it is clear, my response was to WVKayaker's statement in post 1065, where he or she stated:

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"It's [sin] not about 'right' or 'wrong', and certainly doesn't come in degrees or categories."

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To the contrary, 1 John 5:16-17 plainly says:

   1.   "All wrongdoing is sin".

   2.   "There is sin which is mortal".

   3.   "There is sin which is not mortal".

Are you also denying that those things are true, like the Bible says they are?