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To: boatbums
This is an ancient principle going back thousands of years BEFORE Christianity even started.And was taught by the Sadducees.

As for your Isaiah quote,

And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God for the living to the dead? To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. (Isa. 8:19-20)

It does not say written law.

The doctrine of sola Scriptura is that the Scriptures, as the sole Divinely-inspired resource we have, must be the basis for all claims of binding Christian truth. When someone asserts all Christians MUST believe XYZ, XYZ must be proved by God's word.

At best this means that one cannot require belief in the Assumption; it fails to establish the Assumption is false.
694 posted on 09/28/2014 8:17:37 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: ronnietherocket3; boatbums
At best this means that one cannot require belief in the Assumption; it fails to establish the Assumption is false.

Indeed, Mary could have parted the Red Sea, but such speculation has no place as a doctrine, especially in the light of the fact that the Holy Spirit characteristically mentions exceptions to the norm among notable persons, from great age (Methuselah), to excess size, fingers (Goliath), strength (Samson), devotion (Anna), diet (John the Baptist), to the supernatural transport of Phillip, the singleness of Paul and Barnabas, and uncharacteristic duplicity of Peter, and the surpassing labor and suffering of Paul, etc., etc. to John the Baptist "being" Elijah, and Christ being sinless and the prophesied Messiah and Divine.

But Mary is nowhere presented as being a sinless perpetual virgin and highest created being in virtue, titled the mother of God and bodily assumed into Heaven and crowned as its Queen, with authority over angels, and hearing virtually infinite amounts of prayer from earth addressed to her, etc. .

Meanwhile, it is abundantly evidenced that Scripture was the transcendent supreme standard for obedience and testing and establishing truth claims as the wholly Divinely inspired and assured, Word of God.

And which testifies (Lk. 24:27,44, etc.) to writings of God being recognized and established as being so (essentially due to their unique and enduring heavenly qualities and attestation), and thus they materially provide for a canon of Scripture (as well as for reason, the church, etc.)

But the weight of Scriptural substantiation is not the basis for the veracity of RC doctrine, lest they be as evangelicals, but assurance of Truth for an RC is based upon the premise of the assured veracity of Rome.

Under which Scripture, history and tradition only assuredly consist of and mean what she says they do. For Rome has presumed to infallibly declare she is and will be perpetually infallible whenever she speaks in accordance with her infallibly defined (scope and subject-based) formula, which renders her declaration that she is infallible, to be infallible, as well as all else she accordingly declares.

727 posted on 09/28/2014 9:01:03 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: ronnietherocket3
At best this means that one cannot require belief in the Assumption; it fails to establish the Assumption is false.

That has been the point of this thread all along. Roman Catholicism DOES require belief in the Assumption of Mary as ex cathedra doctrine and those who do not believe it are anathematized, cut off from communion and, according to the CCC, unable to be saved. Those who are excommunicated - correct me if I am wrong - cannot go to heaven when they die as long as they die in that state.

If it all was just a matter of personal choice whether to believe the teaching or not, it wouldn't be an issue and there probably wouldn't be a thread on it - though I think it is an interesting point that two prior popes called heretical the ONLY writing that could have been a historical source for the belief. Without that, there IS nothing to base the dogma on other than wishful thinking of some people centuries afterward. Don't you wonder why the Apostle John never mentioned Mary's death in any of his epistles seeing as Jesus entrusted her care to him? His last book was written towards the end of his life and Mary was already long dead by then. If there had truly been a miraculous ascension of Mary to heaven, why wouldn't he have said anything about it? I think these are legitimate questions and are not asked just to tick Catholics off.

745 posted on 09/28/2014 9:28:45 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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