[ronnietherocket3]

I've been here longer than that and I agree that the same arguments keep getting recycled.

Ultimately these threads come down to the question of Sola Scriptura vs. Catholicism. The question of whether the Assumption can be required is ultimately a question of whether the Catholic Church can define dogma. The question of whether one can believe Mary was assumed is ultimately a question of whether one needs proof (as opposed to evidence) of something prior to believing it. Americans are a little obsessed with the threshold of beyond reasonable doubt.

I wish I had a dollar for every time I've read a FRoman Catholic say, "Yeah...but you guys have Martin Luther and he threw books of the Bible in the garbage can.". I've corrected that false statement at least a dozen times this year complete with links and everything, but the same people will state it anyway as if they were oblivious to ever being corrected. Why is that?

To Catholics the OT Deuterocanon is Scripture. To us, Martin Luther was the person who got people to stop regarding them as Scripture. I do know that he did not throw them in the garbage.

Something that other Catholics have done on this thread is whine about how they are treated. I do not believe Jesus died on the Cross so people in the 21st century could whine and run to mommy about how they are treated on the internet.

I suppose I should state that I do not have an opinion on whether their complaint is right or wrong.

[boatbums]

To Catholics the OT Deuterocanon is Scripture. To us, Martin Luther was the person who got people to stop regarding them as Scripture. I do know that he did not throw them in the garbage.

Here's a link you can read so that you will know the answer: http://tquid.sharpens.org/Luther_%20canon.htm#a2

[metmom]

Ultimately these threads come down to the question of Sola Scriptura vs. Catholicism. The question of whether the Assumption can be required is ultimately a question of whether the Catholic Church can define dogma. The question of whether one can believe Mary was assumed is ultimately a question of whether one needs proof (as opposed to evidence) of something prior to believing it. Americans are a little obsessed with the threshold of beyond reasonable doubt.

OK, so why did the early popes declare the assumption of Mary to be heresy and now the later popes not only believe it, but make it dogma?

[caww]

...”Ultimately these threads come down to the question of Sola Scriptura vs. Catholicism”.....

Putting it that way....well....that’s like saying it’s God’s Word verses Catholicism ...I’ll let that just hang there a bit.

Frankly it’s about the question of God’s word vs. the traditions of men.

[daniel1212]

The question of whether the Assumption can be required is ultimately a question of whether the Catholic Church can define dogma.

Indeed it is, and thus this is ultimately the recourse of RCs when attempts to establish defend doctrines upon Scripture, and arguments from silence, which really are based upon tradition, fail.

Sometimes at the outset the "Catholic church gave you the Bible, it has the authority to say what it means" polemical assertion is used.

And which premise is also basically defended upon the presuppositions that an assuredly (if conditionally) infallible magisterium is essential for determination and assurance of Truth (including writings and men being of God) .

And to fulfill promises of Divine presence, providence of Truth, and preservation of faith, and authority. (Jn. 14:16,26; 15:26; 16:13; Mt. 16:18; Lk. 10:16, etc.)

And that being the historical instruments and stewards of Divine revelation (oral and written) means that such is that assuredly infallible magisterium. Thus those who dissent from the latter are in rebellion to God.

What here can a RC disagree with?

To Catholics the OT Deuterocanon is Scripture. To us, Martin Luther was the person who got people to stop regarding them as Scripture. I do know that he did not throw them in the garbage.

Actually, Luther did not have an infallible indisputable canon to dispute from, nor was he alone in doing so, but doubt and disagreement continued down thru the centuries about books and right into Trent. See here .

Something that other Catholics have done on this thread is whine about how they are treated. I do not believe Jesus died on the Cross so people in the 21st century could whine and run to mommy about how they are treated on the internet.

Well, that makes you an exception, but RCs not only post the most about their church here by far, but they can go so far as saying that there is not and never has been a bit of anti-Protestant bigotry on FR, or that they never see threads of Catholics starting an argument with protestants on FR. Even though they do so!

But with over 800 posts in two day then this one certainly has seen the most responses due to RCs trying to defend a tradition of men which has a special psychological content. I dare say a post attacking the deity of Christ or the whole Trinity would see half the responses by RCs.