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To: verga; boatbums; editor-surveyor
Congratulations on getting something right and engaging in fraternal correction.

I would not call boatbums' response to ES's "fraternal correction". ES is not a protestant. I am unsure what to classify him as, perhaps a Judaizer (some might call him a Messianic Jew). However, neither of those groups are Protestant. He goes around and preaches that observance of the Written Mosaic Law is necessary. Unlike protestants, he believes there are errors in the NT that we have. I find his position to be utterly devoid of reasonableness.

While I disagree with Protestants on the question of whether or not Tradition and the Magisterium can be considered equal to Scripture, their position does appear reasonable. Concerning Tradition, this requires that a chain of men (not God) can remember something well. E.g., how do we know that the essential rite of ordaining priests actually dates back to Christ and was not bungled somewhere along the route. The children's game of telephone is a good example of this problem. Concerning the Magisterium, how do we know that the Holy Spirit actually guided the councils and it was not the mistake of fallible men? The simple answer to both these questions is faith in the promise of Christ that the gates of hell will not prevail against his Church. However, we are presented with a problem. How do we identify which Church this is?

I think this is how we arrive at the delusion expressed by ES. The final question in challenging Tradition and the Magisterium is: "How do we know that the Bible at the time of the Reformation was the same Bible that the Apostles had? Could the Church have introduced errors?" (Note: I am avoiding the question of the Deuteros). As boatbums pointed out, we have a significant number of Manuscripts from the second century, which is before the foundation of the Catholic Church according to ES.
551 posted on 10/05/2014 8:11:46 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: ronnietherocket3; verga; boatbums

>> “The simple answer to both these questions is faith in the promise of Christ that the gates of hell will not prevail against his Church. However, we are presented with a problem. How do we identify which Church this is?” <<

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Humanist balderdash!

Yeshua is not depending on any fallible human corporation to deliver his bride.

He didn’t found a ‘church,’ he announced his Kehillah, congregation, assembly, not an organization.

Yeshua’s assembly has no human officers to guide its affairs; he denounced that model in his letters to the seven churches in Asia. He called their officers Nicolaitanes, and didn’t disguise his hatred for them.

Satan cannot prevail against Yeshua’s assembly because they are not gathered together for him to defeat. On the contrary, Satan will gather his assembly in his assault on Jerusalem, and Yeshua will crush them conpletely.

Sorry to present you with nothing to classify and put in a box. You wouldn’t be in a box yourself, had you not placed yourself there voluntarily. You can leave it anytime you wish to join Yeshua. He’ll write his Torah on your heart!
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554 posted on 10/05/2014 8:31:12 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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