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To: af_vet_1981

Thank you for your civil response. Yes, I checked and all three passages you cited are indeed in the New Testament.

You conflate “turning over to Satan” with the murdering of those people. That is an incorrect assessment of Scripture, in all three instances.

I understand that you are fighting against the repentant sinner of 2 Cor being the same sinner as Paul instructed the Church at Corinth to “hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh.” (How would this be done, apart from denying him fellowship with the believers.)

You are wrestling with the clear meanings of passages in the New Testament, not with my personal interpretation.


2,850 posted on 10/21/2014 7:28:10 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero
Thank you for your civil response. Yes, I checked and all three passages you cited are indeed in the New Testament. You conflate “turning over to Satan” with the murdering of those people. That is an incorrect assessment of Scripture, in all three instances. I understand that you are fighting against the repentant sinner of 2 Cor being the same sinner as Paul instructed the Church at Corinth to “hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh.” (How would this be done, apart from denying him fellowship with the believers.) You are wrestling with the clear meanings of passages in the New Testament, not with my personal interpretation.

That would be an incorrect assessment and mischaracterization of my position; I interpret “turning over to Satan” as is obvious (to me) in the Greek with killing (not murdering, how many times must we revisit the difference ?). Compare my interpretation with Job 2 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life. , where in my view, God limits Satan from what he would normally do (kill) with someone "handed" over to him. Job was perfect (Hebrew tam) and God did not permit the adversary to kill him. In my opinion, the exception here complements the general case elsewhere.

Now as for our unnamed Corinthian, I find it preposterous to hold that denying someone fellowship, or the sacraments if you would, means the same as delivering someone to Satan. While the former is certainly true and falls under the purvey of "church discipline," the latter (delivery to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, ie, body) means physical death and requires a true biblical prophet or apostle walking in the Spirit of God, God's messenger if you will, and it could also be at the hand of an angel of the LORD. As to whether the Corinthian lived or died, what gives me the most pause is the severity of his sin and judgment; imagine instead he was guilty as an adult of homosexual fornication/rape of a boy (not unusual in Corinth). Can you just imagine the parallel with the deviant priests, pastors, and rabbis, which if they repent Paul would be telling us to "confirm your love toward him." I tend to agree more with John, 16If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. I will accept what the Apostle wrote, but there is not enough there for me to be certain it is the same man, and in light of Matt 18:6, I don't think I'm being overly cautious here. If you know for certain who this man is, perhaps you can identify the man in this verse as well, thinking long and hard before you answer (Im not sure who it was). 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

2,858 posted on 10/21/2014 9:41:01 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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