Catholics, the Real Liberals

The American Conservative ^ | October 18, 2014 | Rod Dreher

[Gamecock]

We get Joel Osteen...lol

Got that covered too!

Keyword: YBPDLN

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"No it doesn't because *official* church doctrine is totally meaningless when there's no action to back up the words. The Catholic church shows what it TRULY believes by what it does, not by what it claims, just like everyone else in the world."

Thats like saying the Constitution is a living document. No matter what people say, do, enact, the concept of United States outlined by the Constitution remains. The Catholic Church is the same -- Even were there no faith left on earth (Lk 18:8), the truth contained in the deposit of faith remains the truth.

[ealgeone]

Guess you’ll be heading to confession for that 7th grade remark.

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Think about what provoked it -- asking on FR no less, "do you vote democrat?"

In other words -- "Do you support abortion, gay crap, forced redistribution, crippling taxes, disarmament, "hate speak" tribunals, agenda 21, and open borders?"

No reply could possibly be as insulting or vile as the question.

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Was this commissioned by the guy here who's always going on and on about Catholics and Mormons? Blessedly, I have forgotten his name, but he'll show up here sooner or later.

The support of 18-29 year old Catholics for gay marriage isn't in line with the opinions of others in that age group of other religions.

Catholics are concentrated on highly urbanized states and their views aren't that different from those of their (Mainline) Protestant neighbors.

Before Vatican II it was very different. This is a case of Catholics finally assimilating to the opinions of the (secular and Mainline Protestant) culture after decades of being chastised for their "backwardness," and finding themselves attacked by people who really weren't on the scene for all those years.

[sasportas]

What’s the beef? You and Democrat Alice Lundergrun Grimes in the Kentucky race for senate were asked the same sort of question. And with similar reactions.

I shake your hand on being opposed to, “abortion, gay crap, forced redistribution, crippling taxes, disarmament, “hate speak” tribunals, agenda 21, and open borders,” as most FReepers are.

However, you must be bucking the tide in the RCC to do so.

I can’t help but wonder how difficult it must be for such strong conservatives as yourself to coeexist with all those liberals. You should “come out from among them,” like the scripture says, and fellowship with good strong Protestant conservatives, you’d think you had died and gone to heaven.

[ealgeone]

Keep it classy is all I’m suggesting.

[metmom]

And from RC’s favorite book of the Bible no less.

[redgolum]

I’m Lutheran. We got Garrison Keller. Not sure how we drew that card

[redgolum]

On of these days, the Catholics will stop blaming their problems on non Catholic churches. If it isn’t the protestants, it is the orthodox. If not them, the free masons.

There was synod that just concluded where the Pope was saying nice things about gays, and it was blamed on the Protestants.

We all have issues, because we are all fallen. Stop complaining, start fixing

[metmom]

Some where I read that by blame shifting we lose the power to change ourselves.

It’s a sad state of affairs the the church which calls itself the one true church and boasts about how the gates of hell won’t prevail against it, blame shifts all it’s problem onto someone else, as if it’s the victim in this world.

Too bad they don’t know the over coming power of Jesus Christ.

[aimhigh]

I guess it burns you people that the Catholic Church is the only Church that doctrinally opposes the decadence of modern world.

Hogwash. I watched the legislative hearings in Oregon when the Democrats pushed through gay unions. The Catholic church asked for one tweak in the bill to protect themselves, and then said, "We don't oppose the bill, as we are not in the business of descrimination."

It was Protestants who had the guts to testify against the bill.

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On of these days, the Catholics will stop blaming their problems on non Catholic churches.

I was responding to an article that appears to put a lot of blame on the Catholic church for Catholics following the prevailing norms in the wider culture, the norms of modern Western society. The title "Catholics, the Real Liberals" does give that impression.

I just wanted to point out that Catholics share the values of the larger society, and that it wasn't so very long ago when (mainstream or liberal) Protestants used to attack Catholics for holding on to older values and ways of thinking.

Catholics decided to assimilate to secular culture on their own (or they drifted into it). They can't blame anyone else for it, and the modern secular West is as much Catholic as Protestant, but surely one can note the irony of history here.

We all have issues, because we are all fallen.

Agreed.

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"I can’t help but wonder how difficult it must be for such strong conservatives as yourself to coeexist with all those liberals. You should “come out from among them,” like the scripture says, and fellowship with good strong Protestant conservatives, you’d think you had died and gone to heaven."

If it were that easy I'd have done so years ago. I had essentially several years ago, but I believe that the Catholic Church is the church Christ founded. With that in mind I cannot just jump ship.