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To: punditwannabe

was Mary the mother of Jesus, yes or no?.....


4 posted on 10/31/2014 1:39:48 AM PDT by cherry
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“And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.” - Matthew 12:49-50


6 posted on 10/31/2014 3:37:54 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: cherry; Jess Kitting; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; ...
I think Catholics are awesome Christians but i will never understand the Mary thing, I guess. I could see imitating the saints and the “fathers of the faith” and such but I don’t see much actually written about Mary in the Bible. She was humble, that’s a good thing obviously, to imitate. But the veneration takes her to a new place altogether. I’m sure I’m uninformed somehow....

was Mary the mother of Jesus, yes or no?.....

We indeed should look to the Mary of Scripture as an example of one who followed Christ, along with many others, though with Paul's labour of love in birthing and nurturing souls actually being given far more elaboration by the Holy Spirit of Christ than Mary.

And who is not the Mary of Catholicism, which turns the humble and holy Mary of Scripture into a demigoddess, thinking of men above that which is written, as Scripture was/is the transcendent supreme standard for obedience and testing and establishing truth claims as the wholly Divinely inspired and assured, Word of God, as is abundantly evidenced.

And which testifies (Lk. 24:27,44, etc.) to writings of God being recognized and established as being so (essentially due to their unique and enduring heavenly qualities and attestation) - without an infallible magisterium - and thus they materially provide for a canon of Scripture (as well as for reason, the church, etc.)

7 posted on 10/31/2014 4:37:07 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: cherry; punditwannabe; daniel1212
was Mary the mother of Jesus, yes or no?.....

Requiring a simple "yes or no" answer is very often used as a way to bypass the critical step of defining terms. As an attorney, if I had a client being asked that question in a deposition, I would at this point insist on some clarifications before proceeding.

For example, how is "mother" being used here? Strictly in a biological sense? To which I would expect a response of "No," because Jesus acquires more than human biology through Mary, but human nature, albeit with no inclination to sin.

But the divine nature never had a time when it didn't exist. It is this essence of Godhead that cannot have a mother in the genetic sense. Else we are talking about something less than true deity.

This is why Jesus tells us His true family, in any sense in which it might be beneficial to be related to Him, is conformity to the will of God, which is independent of biology, and transcendent of human nature, but requires the new birth, which is possible only through the work of God's own Holy Spirit. That is the only "genetic" connection that matters to Jesus, the likeness of our spirit to that of our Heavenly Father, Who is spirit.

Peace,

SR

12 posted on 10/31/2014 6:01:32 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: cherry; punditwannabe
was Mary the mother of Jesus, yes or no?.....

The Holy Spirit calls Mary, *mother of Jesus* in Scripture.

So what's the point of your question?

What's that got to do with the topic of the thread or punditwannabe's comment?

16 posted on 10/31/2014 6:17:43 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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