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‘Dying ... and Rising’ (Approximately 50 New York parishes to close, merge)
Catholic New York ^ | October 30, 2014 | Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan

Posted on 11/01/2014 2:35:28 PM PDT by NYer

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To: icwhatudo

It’s as peculiar as a hermit decrying how he has no children to will his possessions to.


21 posted on 11/01/2014 3:39:29 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: NYer
The descendants of those immigrants moved to the suburbs (Queens, Bronx, LI, Staten Island) and their descendants have now moved south to VA, NC, GA, FL, LA, TX, etc. They have taken their faith with them, resulting in the construction of new churches in those communities. They will not be returning to NYC.

Very good point. I, myself fall into this category. My hometown church in Westchester county is in a similar situation.

22 posted on 11/01/2014 3:59:06 PM PDT by NYFreeper
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To: NYer

Why isn’t St. Michael’s a commuter church? My parish, St. Agnes, is right near Grand Central. It’s filled with worshipers. Of course, the Tridentine Mass on Sunday doesn’t bring them in but it does bring worshipers from places where there is no such Mass.


23 posted on 11/01/2014 4:40:28 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard III: Loyalty Binds Me)
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To: NYFreeper
I, myself fall into this category. My hometown church in Westchester county is in a similar situation.

It's true through the northeast and midwest. In Georgia, one parish community grew so rapidly it was decided to build a new church. After reviewing some contemporary designs, it occurred to them that the cost of building could be applied to moving a magnificent church from Buffalo NY. You can read about the project here This is a win/win solution for both communities and ensures that an architectural treasure will find new life.

24 posted on 11/01/2014 4:53:02 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer
They will not be returning to NYC.

Esp. with Smilin' Tim at the helm.

25 posted on 11/01/2014 5:03:49 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is PUBLIC ENEMY #1)
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To: NYer

Jesus needs to hurry up.


26 posted on 11/01/2014 5:04:52 PM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them. We have no 'news media', only a Soviet Pravda.)
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To: NYer

High taxes + contraception.

Dropping population, and closing parishes.


27 posted on 11/01/2014 5:38:04 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: NYer

Very upsetting. I’m from Corpus Christi parish (Upper West Side, used to be the Columbia U parish) and, surprisingly enough, it looks as if Corpus Christi will survive and be the university parish once again.

But I’m associated with an historic site in Florida that is connected with St James Parish on the Lower East Side - founded in the early 19th century by a priest who is a Venerable now and will probably be declared a saint later, in the next papacy - which is probably going to be “merged,” as they politely say, even though it’s functional, has a priest, and has a congregation that can and wants to support it. But I guess unless you hit suburban level congregations, Cdl Dolan isn’t interested.

I hope St. Michael’s survives. It’s always been one of my favorite churches, and now that Fr Rutler is there, I always make an attempt to visit it for mass when I’m back in NY.


28 posted on 11/01/2014 5:38:49 PM PDT by livius
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To: NYer
"Pope Benedict reminded us that 'the vine must be pruned if it is to grow and produce fruit.'"

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Perhaps some of these cardinals should be pruned from the vine as well.

29 posted on 11/01/2014 5:40:58 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer
This is where poor catechesis ends.

No...It's where the bible begins...There are many well catechized former Catholics who came out of your religion to become born again Christians...If you would allow the Holy Spirit to speak to you thru the scriptures instead of you relying on your catechism, it would likely happen to you as well...

30 posted on 11/01/2014 6:30:38 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: NYer

If the original guests don’t want to come to the wedding, aren’t we supposed to go out into the streets and invite whoever, like in the parable?

Shouldn’t at least some of these parishes have thought about evangelization before they shrunk too much?

Shouldn’t we all be doing that?


31 posted on 11/01/2014 9:15:50 PM PDT by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Iscool

Thank the Roman Catholic Church for giving the world the Holy Bible in the first place.


32 posted on 11/02/2014 3:16:34 AM PST by Biggirl
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To: Iscool

The good news is that the RCC is putting a greater importance on the Holy Bible. :)


33 posted on 11/02/2014 3:18:33 AM PST by Biggirl
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

....Yet the good news is that the USA will and is becoming a new missionary field for Christian Catholic missionaries from nations in the southern hemisphere.


34 posted on 11/02/2014 3:20:57 AM PST by Biggirl
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To: NYer

Yes, I am concerned about Father Rutler too. The day after Easter, 2005, when we had come into the Catholic Church, we flew to NYC for the week. As we came up Park Avenue, we passed Our Savior (38th). You could peek in - it was dark, full of candles, just the most beautiful little church. I said, “That is the church I want to attend.” It was just as beautiful inside - dark and holy, full of candles. And then!! Father Rutler came out for Mass, our dear friend from EWTN.

We met with him after mass, and he told us about the beautiful painting over the altar - a copy of Christ Pantocrator, from St. Catherine’s in the Sinai. He had seen it at the Met and hired a Chinese artist to recreate it. When the man finished, he joined the Catholic Church.

Visit if you are ever in NYC.


35 posted on 11/02/2014 5:00:28 AM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: NYer; Salvation

“...The “hey day” of catholicism in NYC is history. Time to move on...”

It is never time for the full Truth found in the Catholic Church ALONE to move on.

The immigrant families that are now arriving from diverse countries and faith traditions and arrived since the 60’s (when the flight to suburbia began) should have been evangelized. This is the bad fruit of dreadful Vatican II ideology consisting of the entirely new novel and erroneous premise that our “separated brethren” did not need to be converted. The result? Closed churches in the inner cities that should have been thriving with activity by the new occupants of the neighborhoods.

Matthew 28:19 was deliberately ignored and the spiritual work of mercy to instruct the ignorant was abandoned.

The newcomers ought to have been converted through prayer, works of charity, instruction and patience. This happened all throughout the cities in upstate New York as well; the excuse that it is demographics and nothing can be done is a travesty (the liberal Bishops, not you personally). There is no excuse for any of these closings. Maybe now it is too late, however the Church leaders in the 70’s when it was starting ought to have known better.

More evil fruit from Vatican II. This should NEVER have happened.

St. John Neumann and St. Katharine Drexel, ora pro nobis.


36 posted on 11/02/2014 5:20:44 AM PST by stonehouse01
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To: NYer
"........but I still get to go to the Al Smith dinner every year with all my Democrat pals, so I'm not losing hope."

- Cardinal Dolan

37 posted on 11/02/2014 6:25:47 AM PST by Eric Pode of Croydon
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon
"........but I still get to go to the Al Smith dinner every year with all my Democrat pals, so I'm not losing hope."

- Cardinal Dolan

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Bravo!   Good for him!  /sarcasm

38 posted on 11/02/2014 6:58:27 AM PST by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

Any town that has turned into liberal USA, like NY City, Buffalo, Pitt, Boston, are closing down Catholic Churches left and right. Liberals by and large don’t go to church. The Catholic Church is growing in the South and Catholic Churches are being built not torn down or sold to Muslims and Buddists, as is the case in the Northeast.


39 posted on 11/02/2014 7:02:33 AM PST by NKP_Vet ("PRO FIDE, PRO UTILITATE HOMINUM")
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To: Biggirl
The good news is that the RCC is putting a greater importance on the Holy Bible. :)

If only they would let you read it on your own with the direction of the Holy Spirit...

40 posted on 11/02/2014 7:12:44 AM PST by Iscool
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