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To: Sam's Army

“Thou shalt not have false Gods before me...” The author wants to worship a false god apparently.

att. 3:12; Luke 3:17 - John the Baptist said the Lord will burn the chaff with unquenchable fire. This unquenchable fire is the state of eternal separation from God, which the Church has called “hell” for 2,000 years. Some Protestant communities no longer acknowledge the reality of hell.

Matt. 25:41 - Jesus says, “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”

Matt. 25:46 - Jesus says, “they will go away into eternal punishment” which is in reference to this eternal fire.

Mark 9:47-48 - Jesus refers to hell as where the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched. It lasts forever.

2 Thess. 1:6-9 - the angels will come with flaming fire and the disobedient will suffer punishment of eternal destruction. It is important to note that “destruction” does not mean “annihilation,” as some Protestant denominations teach. It means eternal exclusion from the presence of God.

Jude 6-7 - the rebelling angels, and Sodom and Gomorrah, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

Rev. 14:11 - the worshipers of the beast suffer and the smoke of their torment goes up for ever and ever.

Rev. 20:10 - they’re tormented in the lake of fire and brimstone day and night forever and ever.

Isaiah 33:14 - “Who of us can dwell in the everlasting fire?” This is a reference to hell which is forever.

Isaiah 66:24 - their worm shall not die and their fire shall not be quenched. We cannot fathom the pain of this eternal separation from God.

Jer. 15:14 - in my anger a fire is kindled which shall burn forever. Hell is the proper compliment to the eternal bliss of heaven.

Judith 16:17 - in the day of judgment the Lord will take vengeance on the wicked and they shall weep in pain forever. Hell is a place that sinners have prepared for themselves by rejecting God, who desires all people to be saved in His Son Jesus Christ. God sends no one to hell.


53 posted on 11/03/2014 6:54:08 AM PST by Phillyred
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To: Phillyred

Phillyred, I appreciate that you turned to scripture. You should look much deeper and further than just trying for some proof texts. That you use Isaiah 33:14 - “Who of us can dwell in the everlasting fire?” is funny because the prophet answers his question in the next verse of who will dwell in everlasting fire. “15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;”

Some of the passages make reference to what it is talking about in Revelation. I hope you are prepared to answer for yourself the difference between hell and the lake of fire, since one is thrown into the other.

You also need to answer why righteous men in the Old Testament like Job and Jacob expected to be in hell. But that gets back to knowing the difference between the words as already mentioned. Just last night I heard a guy with a theology degree give the standard answer. The old testament writers simply didn’t understand the state of the dead. That denies the Holy Spirit authorship of scripture, and is a direct attack on the authority of scripture.

You mention Sodom as an example. So are you suggesting that Sodom is still burning somewhere? I think not, but you are missing the logic hole. Their destruction by fire was complete.

Also you need to answer the dozens of verses that speak of the end of the wicked as complete, and final, and juxtapose life for the righteous verses death for the unrighteous, instead of juxtaposing eternal life of happiness and eternal torture.

Further you may want to consider a basic point of logic. Finite humans, created by God, do not deserve, and cannot EARN eternal life with Him. The fact that it is obtainable reflects upon God as gracious and merciful. However, how do you think finite humans can EARN infinite torture? What would that reflect upon God?


63 posted on 11/03/2014 8:13:01 AM PST by Prophet2520
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